I know the one out at Hawn is not a benchmark. It's a land survey marker. We all gathered round the same trees and such when we did the River Aux Vases cache. Don't know about the other one. Maybe the same thing. River Aux Vases is SpongyMesophyll's cache. Although any of us would gladly take credit for a great cache! :) Roger Barnes is the benchmark guru. He could probably explain the differences very well. Bridget -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Joe Taylor Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:54 PM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Unlisted Benchmarks? OK now that I hit a big topic... LOL, onto another thing that has been puzzling me... Upon doing STRIDER's River Aux Vases, we came upon what looked like an old abandonded road, fairly clsoe to the Cache (about half 0.4 miles) Campus GE (I was caching with - he tags along with me but dont know much about geocaching or how all this works), noticed a yellow sign and wondered what it is. When I saw the pipe end sticking up I knew (or thought - I may be wrong) that it was a Benchmark. The sign said something about LAND SURVEY... Since I thought it was a benchmark and I thought it would be on the website, I did not take any notes, except the coords. I looked up nearby benchmarks on the website and it did not come up. Then when swapping out My own cache hide (changed a plastic container to an Ammo Box), I spotted another one, similar pipe type thing sticking out of the ground. This one also had a yellow sign that marked a Prperty Line. Again I looked up nearby benchmarks and it did not show up... If these are not benchmarks, then what are they? Coords are.. Near GCD86A River Aux Vases - Hawn State Park N37*49.051 W090*13.122 Near GCMY6K Rockey Hideaway (Kinkaid lake - Shawnee national Forest) N37*46.931 W089*27.643 Since the one at Hawn State Park was a big event last year, maybe one of you seen the same one I saw (it being along an abandoned raod) Can anyone explain? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!