- It must be a comfort level for each person. I will gladly continue to pass on finds if I deem the search detrimental to the area. To me just getting out and being drawn to a new location is plenty rewarding. It's especially neat for my son to continue to actually find the cache, but to experience the environment is by far the just reward. We appreciate all the work that goes into hiding and maintaining the various types and locations and would only suggest that depending on the setting possibly be more mindful of the hide. Again I see this as a way to get out and enjoy the environment first and getting excited about a find second. We will continue to look for new locations and yes go back again and again to those that stump us as well. Each person obviously can make what they want of this activity. I do think the concept is a wonderful way to prompt people to get out and explore new and wonderful locations. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric & Dayna East<mailto:believer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: LEAVE NO TRACE - I agree that some disturbance is good, but I would discourage tearing apart rotting logs and stumps because they are home to many creatures. No, i'm not a tree hugger either. :-) Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Shilt" <webscouter@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:webscouter@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: [GeoStL] Re: LEAVE NO TRACE > - > Hi Fast Louie > > I have found that you can find almost all caches without disturbing the > area. It takes a little more time but if you sit and think for a minute > and look around you can usually find the "out of place" item. I have > also found that a good strong flashlight is helpful even in the middle > of the day. > > The other think to remember is that sometimes disturbing an area can > actually help the area. Loosening the soil a bit can help new seedlings > take root. Tracking through the underbrush can help distribute those > seeds. Pulling apart a rotten stump helps it decay providing nutrients > to the soil. > > My philosophy is that we should have an equal impact to the creatures of > an area. If I can leave without creating more signs than a buck I am > happy. By taking out the trash that I find I have improved the area. > This isn't to say that I turn everything over haphazardly but if some > leaves are stirred up I don't feel that I have cause any harm. Piling > all the leaves to one side would be different. > > Jim "webscouter" Shilt > > Louis Bielicke wrote: > >>- >> With only a short time under my belt and just a handful of finds, I am >>finding myself more and more concerned with upholding a LEAVE NO TRACE >>philosophy as my son and I have chose to pass on quite a few caches after >>arriving and not having quick luck in spotting the item. We definitely >>enjoy the aspect of the hunt, but also are doing our best to stay within >>the >>ethics of LNT and have found it disappointing on more than one occasion. >> A challenging hiding spot can also be somewhat detrimental to the >>surrounding environment. I hope that my son and I can continue to enjoy >>this endeavor while not having to root so much to get to the prize. We >>have >>chose to not necessarily post our Not Founds as I quickly realized they >>were >>going to add up fast. >> Are we taking the wrong approach and making this harder than it really >> is? >> Also, I am very interested in the philosophy of the SLAGA group relative >>to upholding a Lave No Trace approach. >> >>FastLouie >> >> >> **************************************** >> Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com<http://www.geostl.com/> >> Mail List Info. //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching<//www.freelists.org/list/geocaching> >> Mail List FAQ's: //www.freelists.org/help/questions.html<//www.freelists.org/help/questions.html> >> **************************************** >>To unsubscribe from this list: >> send an email to geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:geocaching-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> with 'unsubscribe' in >> the Subject field >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > **************************************** > Our WebPage! 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