[GeoStL] Re: Being first....
- From: "Jim Bensman" <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:17:49 -0500
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I'll say this for Glenn. For the first time ever I was having a problem
getting a cache approved (it was the IL approver). I emailed Glenn about
the problem and the cache was approved a couple of hours latter.
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> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of GLNash@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Being first....
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> I feel the same way 99% of the time... :-)
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> glenn
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>
> > -
> > Glenn,
> >
> > Thanks for your latest reply. It makes a lot of sense. Again, I
> was never accusing you of anything & after reading &
> contemplating your reply I wish I had never even brought the subject up.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > GLNash@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> > > Actually, i dont get out all that much anymore. At least, not
> like i used to. AND, 'da Bear is doing most all the important
> SLAGA work now. I just help once in a while.
> > >
> > > Cache approval is still a valid discussion point.
> > >
> > > Moving from the uneversally known as true premise of "(some)
> cache approvers cheat, therefore approvers should not hunt caches
> in wich they have helpful info." We can expend that a bit.
> > >
> > > Since Cache approvers are just regular geocachers.. then
> regular geocachers cheat too and should not hunt caches if they
> have helpful information.
> > >
> > > Since helpful information comes from other cachers, then when
> one should not hunt geocaches in the presence of other cachers
> for fear of recieving some helpful information and therefore
> would be cheating when logging a find.
> > >
> > > If cache hunting in a group or team, only the actual finder
> should claim the find. Any other cacher that logs the find would
> have recieved info from the other team menbers and would also
> have cheated.
> > >
> > > Since all geocaching friends talk to other geocachers, a
> cacher really should refain from hunting caches placed by any
> friend since it is assured that they will have discussed the
> cache and passed "helpful information" to help find the cache.
> That would then be cheating for sure.
> > >
> > > Another stepe in the line would be that really, since
> everybody knows somebody, and everybody talks, only the very 1st
> finder of a cache would be allowed to log the find since he is
> sure to talk to other cachers and thus spread helpful
> information. All discoveries after the 1st finder should really
> just be a note of the activity, to do otherwise would surely be
> cheating too.
> > >
> > > Seems this is all as stupid as the founding premise.
> > >
> > > I think all this could be done away with if we didnt have
> cache approvals or cache as groups or have friends that geocache.
> Since Navecache and waypoints.org dosnt approve anything, all
> we need to do is list with Navecache, get rid of all our
> geo-friends then we can assure everyone that no one is cheating.
> That all seems easy enough. :-) :-)
> > >
> > > glenn
> > >
> > > > -
> > > > IMHO: I have to agree with greg. I think that glenn is just
> doing his job.
> > > > He is volunteering his time approving all of the caches in
> the whole region
> > > > after all...not to mention run important SLAGA things at
> the same time!
> > > > Where does he find time to geocache?
> > > >
> > > > ~Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Greg & Bobbi Crouch" <mo_crouchs@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:00 AM
> > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Isn't this how the big league brawls start? People, it's
> just a game. Who
> > > > > cares if you are the first, the only time you need be
> concerned is if you
> > > > > are the last person to find a cache because then and only
> then there's a
> > > > > problem. Foot stomping won't do anything but smash the
> vegetation and make
> > > > > the park rangers upset with us. When my son was about 4
> or 5 and he would
> > > > > watch a movie that would scare him I would tell him it's
> just a movie and
> > > > > there was nothing to worry about. I will say that to any
> other 4 or 5 year
> > > > > old that's out there today, but to the rest of you I
> would like to think
> > > > you
> > > > > are over that phase of your life. Once again, it's just a
> game. Personaly
> > > > > I'm glad we have an aprover near-by.
> > > > > Greg ( HereFishyFishy )
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Glenn" <Glenn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:38 PM
> > > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > bullshit
> > > > >
> > > > > At 07:16 PM 7/18/2003, Eric & Dayna East wrote:
> > > > > >-
> > > > > >As stated in my first message, I wasn't trying to knock
> anyone. I was
> > > > > >simply making a general
> > > > > >statement. I'm sure Glenn (or most of the approvers) would not
> > > > > >intentionally use the inside
> > > > > >info to their benefit. However, there are a lot of
> dishonest people out
> > > > > >there who would &
> > > > > >probably do. That is why I said that approvers shouldn't
> hunt local
> > > > > >caches. What I should've
> > > > > >said was: out of fairness they should avoid those caches
> where they've
> > > > > >been given additional
> > > > > >"helpful" information that the general caching
> community would not have
> > > > > >access to.
> > > > > >Glenn, I apologize if I came off like I was accusing you
> of something!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Eric
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"d-a-v-e@xxxxxxxxxx" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > I wouldn't worry about Glenn either=2E He really
> doesn't get that many
> > > > > fir=
> > > > > > > st
> > > > > > > finds=2E Its hard to beat cachers like Strider and
> Ma and Pa=2E=20
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Original Message:
> > > > > > > -----------------
> > > > > > > From: GC-RGS gc-rgs@swbell=2Enet
> > > > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:55:35 -0500
> > > > > > > To: geocaching@freelists=2Eorg
> > > > > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first=2E=2E=2E=2E
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > Eric,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't think you need to worry here=2E I go out with
> Glenn a lot and
> > > > I
> > > > > ca=
> > > > > > > n
> > > > > > > guarantee you that he has the same sheets printed out
> that you or I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > have=2E There are no handwritten numbers on the
> sheets either=2E Since
> > > > > thi=
> > > > > > > s is a
> > > > > > > game that depends on the honor system of logging, any
> of us could
> > > > > probably=
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > log caches on GC=2ECOM and never physically visit the
> cache or write
> > > > in
> > > > > th=
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > log book=2E I know I don't verify every log entry
> with the logbook on
> > > > my
> > > > > > > caches=2E
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Glenn is keeping track of the WP's and final location
> of the multi's
> > > > to
> > > > > > > allow him to verify the locations are valid and
> within the GC=2ECOM
> > > > > guidel=
> > > > > > > ines
> > > > > > > (not near a RR, in a natural area, etc)=2E He can
> then keep track when
> > > > > new=
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > caches are placed to ensure that the =2E1 mile
> between caches rule is
> > > > > true=
> > > > > > > =2E
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Having a cache approver in our area has a big
> advantage since he knows
> > > > > > > details that other approvers don't=2E For instance,
> Katy trail and
> > > > Grant
> > > > > t=
> > > > > > > rail
> > > > > > > show up as a RR track on the maps, but they are converted bike
> > > > trails=2E
> > > > > > > Rockwoods Reservation is off limits but the maps show
> a large park=2E
> > > > > Out =
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > state approvers wouldn't know that information=2E I
> think the closest
> > > > > > > approvers other than Glenn are in TN and KY=2E
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Glenn may be able to keep all the intermediate and
> final WP's in his
> > > > > head
> > > > > > > when we go caching, but I guarantee you he does an
> excellent job of
> > > > > hiding=
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it=2E :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rich
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Eric & Dayna East" <lichanura@mcleodusa=2Enet>
> > > > > > > To: <geocaching@freelists=2Eorg>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 6:58 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Glenn Being first=2E=2E=2E=2E
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > NOTE: This is not a knock on anyone but=2E=2E=2E=2E
> > > > > > > > It seems a little unfair that cache approvers
> sometimes get info
> > > > from
> > > > > th=
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > cache placers that others do not have access to=2E In
> some cases, they
> > > > > get=
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > exact locations=2E I think it
> > > > > > > > would be best if cache approvers did not approve
> caches in their
> > > > area
> > > > > fo=
> > > > > > > r
> > > > > > > this reason=2E
> > > > > > > > Now as to how the "big guns" get to caches so
> quickly=2E=2E=2E There
> > > > > are=
> > > > > > > e-mail
> > > > > > > services that will notify you when a new cache is
> placed=2E Also
> > > > > Buxleys =
> > > > > > > web
> > > > > > > site maps are pretty good
> > > > > > > > at getting the caches listed in a timely manor=2E
> Besides that you
> > > > can
> > > > > d=
> > > > > > > o
> > > > > > > daily searches for new caches on GC=2Ecom
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Eric
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
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