Hello to all. I've had it with this stupid Logitech f510. I not only have one unit but two. For those who would want them, they can have them for say $20 a piece. Walmart has it up on their web page for $31. These units are AS IS! I can ship you the link for the 64 bit drivers or I have one copy and will have to find the second copy of the mini disk with the 32 bit drivers on the disk. I would deeply appreciate any and all advice on trying to find a different USB handheld controller that 1. will work with the Hand to ear flight Simulator Three D Velocity. 2. I would like it to work with the three games from now known as Blind software. Once known as BSC games. Those games are most inportant Blast Chamber, the hunter and troopanum. Would also like it so that I could use it with the game Aliens in the outback. Plus any other up coming game or sim that has USB support written into the program. Most inportantly, the unit must have force feedback written into the unit so that it will work with the Three D Velocity flight simulator. I thank all. The reason why I asked for only we here in the states is that I'd ship the units free matter. So come one come all. Thanks from a frustrated game player who'd like a way to unplug himself from the keyboard and still enjoy his games and the hand to ear flight simulator Three D Velocity. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states "that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week." ==================== To unsubscribe or manage your GameTalk subscription please access the following link: http://www.BscGames.com/bsc_gametalk.asp The list archive can be viewed at: //www.freelists.org/archives/gametalk/ ==================== BSC Games Computer Games For The Blind Or Visually Impaired www.BscGames.com