[frgeek-michiana] Re: mouseballs
- From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:34:39 -0800 (PST)
great all we have to do now is find them
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From: Mike Cook <mikecook@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 11:28:34 AM
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: mouseballs
It's always best to spay or neuter you pets. Imagine how many mice we could end
up with. It could be like The Trouble with Tribbles.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
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>From: chuq jackels
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>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 9:52 PM
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>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers AND TUESDAY
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>If anyone knows where we can locate some mice balls then we would be doing a
>lot better! I think we have about 30-50 mice without balls..??? I do not
>understand why we have so many ball-less mice but we do! I will try to look on
>ebay and see if by chance someone has a bunch of mice balls CHEAP.
>>
>But I doubt that will be a find!
>Chuq
>
>
>On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:16 AM, john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>if your talking about those white compaq p3s in the gaylord i can tell u right
>now theyer junk i might of got 1 or 2 to work but alot of them have a battery
>problem tried putting new batterys in them and they still wouldnt work right
>or load,but someone with a little more expirience might be able to get them
>to work...................
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________________________________
From: Richard Zimmerman <csxt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 11:52:25 PM
>>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Volunteers AND TUESDAY
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>>FGM tends to follow the mothership's philosophy for handling green
>>volunteers. The ones the do have some computer experience goes to
>>loading because they already have an understanding of computers to
>>where someone has no experience goes to deman to take apart computers
>>and learn about them at the same time.
>>
>>>>One would think just taking a newbie to deman could be taken as 'were
>>just getting them out of the way'. Exactly WRONG. With the right
>>teacher, they:
>>
>>>>1) LOSE THEIR FEAR of computers because they are working on them from
>>second one
>>>>2) If they break something, who cares - were recycling it already
>>>>3) They learn about recycling as they LEARN about computer components
>>>> ** You have to understand the components on a part to correctly
>>deman it **
>>
>>>>As they gain basic knowledge, they move to the eval and testing tables.
>>
>>>>4) They learn to determine if something works or not (Eval)
>>>>5) In testing, they learn to find specifically what is wrong and repair
>>it
>>>>6) Learn *IF* it's worth the trouble to fix or not
>>
>>>>Finally, they move to the load tables...
>>
>>>>7) Software... The hardest part...
>>>> 7a: Software is easy
>>>> 7b: Internet is crazy
>>>> 7c: Teaching the difference between a hardware, software, internet
>>issue That's the tough part.
>>
>>>>I do agree. Getting them in the door is the easy part. Demonstrating to
>>them:
>>
>>>>8) Returning the system to those in need is a good thing
>>>>9) Free Software (more importantly freedom of choice) is very important
>>>>10) Good comes from what were doing at all levels.
>>
>>>>In reference to it's easier training someone w/ experience then an
>>newbie. That will always be true. We as an organization have to get
>>better at taking newbies under our wings and training them. If they do
>>not feel self worth in what they are doing, they will not return. I've
>>been doing computers for 31-32 years now. Everyday I learn something
>>new about them. EVEN in the old systems we work with.
>>
>>>>*** EXPANDING THE SUBJECT ***
>>
>>>> For Tuesday (and for quite a while) Make sure your wearing clothing
>>that you do not care if they get ruined or not. As we work through the
>>old stuff you will get very dirty.
>>
>>>> The primary function right now is getting 16 systems together by
>>early February. Tom needs them for TWO classes in February and since
>>were taking volunteers now (Yeah!) we also need to make sure were
>>building a reserve stock to meet their needs as they reach 16 hours.
>>
>>>> Why haven't we taken volunteers before now? Most only want to
>>deman, load or test systems. We had to setup, prep and find everything
>>they need to do their jobs. Chuq reported he finally found mice. That
>>was the last needed piece to get loading going. WE STILL NEED MICE. We
>>will always need mice. We'll probably end up buying some at some point.
>>
>>>> Testing needs it's lights hung up and power strips located.
>>
>>>> Evaluation needs a light hung up and power strip located.
>>
>>>> We need to get the Internet going. (Need to remember to email Tom,
>>Comcrap not working again) Hey Comcast (Comcrap) Your favorite Linux
>>distro, Postfix, Clamav, Spamassassin <<-- Enough said! (Seems
>>I'm missing something there??????)
>>
>>>> As of last Tuesday, I had ONE system capable of being wiped and
>>installed. The drive wipe got done, it's ready for loading. There is a
>>half a gaylord that needs going through to see if we have got QUALIFIED
>>candidate systems for Freeboxes. The gaylord I pulled is badly
>>mislabeled and very old stuff. Many of those systems were capable but
>>need new CD-ROM's in them. Those are sitting on the testing table.
>>
>>>> Deman, testing (repairs in this case) evaluation and loading
>>positions all have something to do Tuesday.
>>
>>>> We have pleanty of computers, monitors, power cords and keyboards.
>>Mice are thin at best. We have plenty of spare parts to fix the systems
>>that can be repaired easily. Basket cases go to deman.
>>
>>>> I need to get some sleep...
>>
>>>> Richard
>>
>>
>>>>On 01/17/2010 9:25 PM, Phil Goldbach wrote:
>>
>>I don't think getting people to show up once is a
>>>problem, either. The hard part is getting them to come back, because we
>>>had a lot of people who'd show up once and they'd never show back up
>>>again.
>>>
>>>>>>It is better to only have a few show up at a time because once there is
>>>quite a few people it does get a bit hard to train them all and find
>>>something for everyone to do. Not to mention we're going to have people
>>>who'd prefer to learn how to install or deman, so the extra deman table
>>>is probably going to have to be built soon if we're going to bring in
>>>new volunteers. In addition, we're probably going to have people who
>>>have little or no experience to those with experience on computers.
>>>It's always been easier to train those who do have experience than
>>>those who don't in my opinion. Although I was thinking that it might be
>>>best if we had a couple blank pieces of extra wood to mount a
>>>motherboard, AGP/PCI video cards, NIC cards, and RAM, have it labeled
>>>to use a reference in showing new volunteers. There's also the guide to
>>>installing Vector 5.9 that I wrote up that is on the warehouse server.
>>>
>>>>>>And in case you all didn't know, the SBWD (South Bend Waste Disposal)
>>>facility on Fifth Street in Mishawaka is now into recycling computers
>>>and electronics. It's $12 for large items, like TVs. Businesses may
>>>drop off with prior permission from the district, according to the
>>>little flier. Not sure if that's something the board might want to
>>>consider as a spot to help get rid of some of our excess junk that
>>>either won't go to eBay or we can't really recycle ourselves.
>>>
>>>>>>Phil Goldbach
>>>
>>>>>>"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>>>
>>>>>>--- On Sun, 1/17/10, john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx> >>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>From: john jones <rainman121065@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>>>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 5:01 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>I dont think getting voulenters is gonna be an issue as
>>>>before theres word of mouth friends are gonna tell theyre friends ect
>>>>ect ect and we still may have an over abundance of people anyways,, and
>>>>im sorry if somebody comes through that door wanting to earn a computer
>>>>for theyre kid,or unemployment or whatever have you,, im not gonna tell
>>>>them no,im gonna find them something to do to where they can earn a
>>>>computer because thats what we do,, and thats what were all
>>>>about............
>>>>
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>>>>
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________________________________
From: >>>>Phil Goldbach <shadowvar8541@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Sun,
>>>>January 17, 2010 3:03:34 AM
>>>>Subject: >>>>[frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>For those of you interested, there is a projector in the
>>>>works that projects a TOUCHscreen! Link is
>>>>here:
>>>>http://www.switched.com/2010/01/08/light-touch-pico-projector-creates-touchscreen-out-of-anything?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Looks pretty cool, although it's still in development and release date
>>>>is unknown.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>I do see one or two potential problems with setting up kiosks for
>>>>SJCPL.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>1-Kind of obvious, but since these kiosks are going to have Linux on
>>>>them, then at least one or two volunteers will have to be present to
>>>>help with any questions.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>2-The people filing for unemployment may expect someone from WorkOne to
>>>>be able to help them, and I do believe the news article in the South
>>>>Bend Tribune said there wasn't always one on hand.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'd be willing to come on a more regular basis if we get more
>>>>volunteers in. If so, in order to help co-ordinate new volunteers, I do
>>>>have a few two-way radios that I'd be willing to let FGM borrow. This
>>>>would work out well instead of saying having to always run back and
>>>>forth between the work area and storage area, also saves on cell phone
>>>>usage, even though we are all basically "right there". I'd also need
>>>>transportation on those nights, I'm sure I could work something out
>>>>with Chuq for Thursdays, but if I'm needed also on Tuesdays, then I am
>>>>sure I can figure something out for that as well, maybe I can talk my
>>>>girlfriend into coming and helping, lol.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Phil Goldbach
>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>>>>
>>>>>>>>--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From: Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>>>>>>>To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 9:30 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Read further into the post,
>>>>>unless it did not go through for some reason.. So here it is:
>>>>>>>>>>"How ever we go about advertising for volunteers I think the biggest
>>>>>thing for us to do is to make sure that they contact Goose or myself
>>>>>first so we can make sure that we do not have an over abundance of
>>>>>people on one night and none on the next, plus we don't want 18 people
>>>>>showing up at one time on any given night.. just too many new faces for
>>>>>us to supervise.
>>>>>>>>>>I am trying to get a Google voice number for people to call so that
>>>>>>>>>>way
>>>>>I can return their calls, and also leave some information on the voice
>>>>>mail about it, but unfortunately the 574 area is quite expansive and I
>>>>>am not finding anything that is "local" I am finding numbers for Royal
>>>>>Center Galveston Logansport Akron Walton which are all 574 it is just
>>>>>that they may be faced with a toll call but most people have a cell
>>>>>phone anyways. Plus we can give them an email address to reply to. I
>>>>>feel that is going to be the best bet. You know we can only go so far
>>>>>to make things easy on the people if they have to incur a small charge
>>>>>to get the info then that is what it will have to be. I will grab a
>>>>>number and post it when it is ready, and Goose if you could make us up
>>>>>an email address say volunteer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>and give you and
>>>>>me access to it (and anyone else who would need it to
>>>>>field volunteers) or maybe have that email automatically forward the
>>>>>messages to us.
>>>>>>>>>>Let me know before I pick a phone number if that sounds good to you..
>>>>>>>>>>The Flier once it is made can say Call, Email, or TXT us at and then
>>>>>give the appropriate info..
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Just a thought. Once we make actual contact with the people we can
>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>tell them the location of the building. On the flier we can put in the
>>>>>days and time and say that we are near Downtown South Bend, and Bus
>>>>>accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If someone wants to work on a rough draft of the flier and send it to
>>>>>us that would be great! We can always fill in the information needed.
>>>>>>>>>>Printing should not be an issue, Goose has the printer at the
>>>>>>>>>>warehouse
>>>>>ready to go I believe. I think we still need to find th color printer,
>>>>>which probably would be a nice thing to use for the fliers.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chuq"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 20:45 -0500, Richard Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>What phone numbers are these?
>>>>>>>>>>>>I've noticed, they are all long distance numbers. Less then
>>>>>>>>>>>>desirable...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On 01/16/2010 2:19 PM, Chuq wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think right now if we
>>>>>>>can have 8-10 volunteers a night we will be good.. The biggest issue I
>>>>>>>see is that along with Goose and myself it would be really handy to
>>>>>>>have a seasoned volunteer in there with us so they can help with
>>>>>>>direction and overseeing...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BTW Here is a sample list of numbers I found for us to use, any
>>>>>>>suggestions on it would be great!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Royal Center, IN (574) 643-1FGM ** Chuq's #1 pick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Logansport, IN (574) 516-2FGM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM9 ** Chuq's #2 pick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Walton, IN (574) 626-8FGM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-FGM4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galveston, IN (574) 699-3FGM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lucerne, IN (574) 889-0FGM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuq
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 10:44 -0800, john jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>or they can be on
>>>>>>>>someone elses puter looking for a puter,to relieve the congestion and
>>>>>>>>traffic i really think we should set a par on how many voulenteres we
>>>>>>>>bring in cuz more then likely as b4 once they put in theyre hours and
>>>>>>>>get theyre free box more then likely theyll be gone unless of course
>>>>>>>>something goes wrong with it....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From:>>>>>>>>Chuq <chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>To:frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>Sent:>>>>>>>>Sat, January 16, 2010 1:18:51 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject:[frgeek-michiana] Re: Volunteers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Plus with Craig's list they already have a computer, now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>granted they
>>>>>>>>might know someone who could benefit from FGM but I think the better
>>>>>>>>idea is Toms with passing out flyer's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chuq
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 10:32 -0500, Richard Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thieves looking for an easy hit...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just sayin...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Goose
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 01/16/2010 10:20 AM, Tom Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think advertizing for volunteers on Craigslist is an excellent
>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also think it is good to coordinate with Chuq and Goose.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We might want to pass out flyers about FGM at the public library on
>>>>>>>>>> Sundays as well. There are a lot of unemployed people who might be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> interested in volunteering to have something productive to do and
>>>>>>>>>> obtain a computer and training in the process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> john jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I can put an add on craigslist but i can almost guarenttee you when
>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> do theyre gonna be lined up at the door mostly because of the
>>>>>>>>>>> unemployment computer crisis thats goin on,at the other warehouse
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> was pretty easy because we had unlimited space,unfortunately we dont
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> luxury
>>>>>>>>> at SBWD so if we get 20 volunters what are they
>>>>>>>>>>> gonna do? we really should prob wait until at least Feb when we are
>>>>>>>>>>> cleanned up and have internet and a gameplan,its really up to yall,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> though is open for input..................
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Fri, January 15, 2010 11:15:53 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: Warehouse Report
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hardinfo
>>>>>>>>>>> http://hardinfo.berlios.de/HomePage
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think hardinfo is bootable so you would need a live CD with
>>>>>>>>>>> hardinfo installed. Perhaps DSL live, RescueCD or Slax could be a
>>>>>>>>>>> base, the lighter the better. I'm not sure how hardinfo reacts to
>>>>>>>>>>> proprietary OS's.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to see hardinfo in action, boot up VL 6.0 Std, click on
>>>>>>>>>>> Menu > System > System Profiler and Benchmark. Or check out a
>>>>>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>>>>> cast at http://wiki.hardinfo.org/Screencast.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chuq wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Well tonight was a pretty good night.. Present were Phil, Dan &
>>>>>>>>>>> Chuq. Kevin stopped by with a donation of 2 hard drives.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Dan hung the lights over the
>>>>>>>>> deman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Dan, Phil and myself searched for mice, and we found some.. found
>>>>>>>>>>> more that were ball-less though!
>>>>>>>>>>> > Phil & I started sorting through stuff.. We have a gaylord that
>>>>>>>>>>> > is
>>>>>>>>>>> declared Ebay for everything that we are not going to use.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Phil & I started sorting through the optical drives and getting
>>>>>>>>>>> those organized.
>>>>>>>>>>> > We then started working on hard drives.
>>>>>>>>>>> > We managed to locate the VL 5.9 disks and the deban disks, so we
>>>>>>>>>>> now have 6 sets for the load table.
>>>>>>>>>>> > I am going to look into the floppy disk assest manager program
>>>>>>>>>>> > that
>>>>>>>>>>> has been tossed around the board for a while (hint if Mike or
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> else has the link readily available please send it) so we can start
>>>>>>>>>>> cataloging the systems.
>>>>>>>>>>> > We need some more volunteers! We are ready to
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> loading.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Ideally I think we need 1 person on loading, 2 or 3 on deman and
>>>>>>>>>>> > 2
>>>>>>>>>>> or 3 on organizing and possibly another to go through some of the
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff in the storage area.
>>>>>>>>>>> > So if anyone knows of some people ready and willing to volunteer
>>>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>>>> sure could use them!
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Chuq
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Ohh BTW we need some TP for the warehouse... it seems that
>>>>>>>>>>> > someone
>>>>>>>>>>> used the last of it and did not replace the roll!
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Richard "Goose" Zimmerman, ke4rit
>>>>>>Mishawaka, IN
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>Richard "Goose" Zimmerman, ke4rit
>>Mishawaka, IN
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