What are the opinions of everyone with regards to this? Microsoft has brought home computers a long way for everyone, and they have the most friendly operating system on the market, despite all the grumbling we all like to do about it. Linux is free, but you get what you pay for, as Linux is harder to use and harder to get support with. However, I'm having my doubts with Windows XP and its copy protection software, what if you have more than one computer? Do you have to own two copies of windows? However, can you think of another OS on the market that has all the features of windows (including being user friendly! That counts most UNIX based systems out)? -- Samuel Proulx - samuelp@xxxxxxxxxx http://members.rogers.com/samuelstudent "Even the fool knows you can't reach out and touch the stars, but that t doesn't stop the wise man from trying." - Judge Harry Stone, "Night Court" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Roszmann" <don@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Aman Singer" <aasinger@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: Microsoft a threat: rival PRINT EDITION Microsoft a threat: rival space Sun executive says Passport ID technology could shut out new Internet businesses space space By D. IAN HOPPER Associated Press, with files from Reuters. Email this article Print this article Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - Page B8 WASHINGTON -- A Microsoft Corp. rival testified yesterday that the firm's dominance in desktop computer operating systems allows it to shut down emerging Internet services and take customers away from other companies involved in electronic commerce. Jonathan Schwartz, a Sun Microsystems Inc. senior vice-president, said a court should impose the antitrust penalties requested by nine states to ensure Microsoft does not use its Windows operating system to shut out new services. Sun, Microsoft and several other companies are developing Web services that would allow customers to access programs, messages, targeted sales pitches and other data from any Internet-connected device, such as a cellphone, an interactive television box or a personal computer. Mr. Schwartz said Microsoft's identity authentication technology, known as Passport, places Microsoft as a middleman between e-commerce sites and their customers. Microsoft could start charging for the technology or hold customers' personal information hostage, he said. "I believe that Passport is in fact an intermediary and a threat," Mr. Schwartz said. Users of Microsoft's newest Windows XP operating system are constantly reminded to create a Passport account. One is required for Microsoft's Internet service, portions of its Web sites and its instant messaging product. Mr. Schwartz is Sun's top representative on the Liberty Alliance, a group started by Sun to create open technology standards for identity authentication on the Internet. The group includes companies like Bank of America, General Motors and American Airlines. Microsoft lawyer Steven Holley accused Mr. Schwartz of deriding Passport and misstating Microsoft's intentions in order to scare other companies into joining Liberty. Mr. Holley said Liberty's name is "an insult, because it means liberty from Microsoft hegemony." Mr. Schwartz replied, "With all due respect, I think that's a little paranoid." The states want U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly to force Microsoft to create a stripped-down version of its flagship Windows software that could incorporate competitors' features. The states also want Microsoft to divulge the blueprints for its Internet Explorer browser. The federal government and nine other states settled their antitrust case against Microsoft last year for lesser penalties. The original judge in the case, Thomas Penfield Jackson, ordered Microsoft broken into two companies after concluding that it illegally stifled competitors. An appeals court reversed the breakup order and appointed Judge Kollar-Kotelly to determine a new punishment. Microsoft asked Judge Kollar-Kotelly to throw out much of Mr. Schwartz's testimony about Web services, as those products -- which are in their infancy now -- were not mentioned explicitly in the first phase of the case. Judge Kollar-Kotelly postponed a decision. She said she was skeptical of Microsoft's argument that Mr. Schwartz's testimony didn't rise to an allegation of new antitrust violations but at the same time consisted of allegations that could not be addressed in the penalty hearing. "I will note that Microsoft sounds a little schizophrenic," she said. Judge Kollar-Kotelly has not thrown out any testimony about new devices or technology, to the frustration of Microsoft lawyers. Microsoft wants to confine the case to the consumer desktop computer market. Microsoft's Mr. Holley presented a Sun document sent to Justice Department antitrust chief Charles James that recommended many penalties that were later mirrored in the states' proposed remedies. The suggestions, which included the modular Windows provision and enforcement requirements, were rejected by Mr. James. "So Mr. James apparently didn't think it was a very good idea," Mr. Holley said. "Or Microsoft didn't, yes," Mr. Schwartz said. Sun has long accused Microsoft of trying to sabotage Sun's Java programming language. Microsoft, in turn, accuses Sun of promoting the government antitrust suit to gain a commercial advantage. Microsoft maintains Java is a product threatened by its own shortcomings rather than any anti-competitive behaviour by Microsoft. The states' remedy would be a boon to Sun in particular because it would require Microsoft to include Java in the Windows operating system. Microsoft eliminated Java from Windows for the first time last year when it rolled out the new Windows XP operating system. Mr. Schwartz said the so-called "must-carry" Java provision would ensure that computer users and developers have an alternative to Microsoft's .NET service. Princeton University professor Andrew Appel began testifying for the states late yesterday. Mr. Appel said that despite Microsoft's protests, Microsoft has the ability to create a modular version of Windows and that the federal settlement's disclosure requirement is not strong enough to help software developers. States that rejected the government's settlement with Microsoft and are continuing to pursue the antitrust case are Iowa, Utah, Massachusetts, Connecticut, California, Kansas, Florida, Minnesota and West Virginia, along with the District of Columbia. -- freetech: the list for discussion of free tech related services unsubscribe by sending a message to freetech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line archive: //www.freelists.org/archives/freetech website: //www.freelists.org/webpage/freetech