Re: [foxboro] Typical Orifice Flowmeter Compensation Calculations
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- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:55:16 -0700
Greetings,
Invensys sells a very good flow compensation package if you need very =
accurate calculated flows. You can also use it to update C' type values =
in the equations already discussed.
...regards
Robert Brennen
Shell Canada Limited
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> [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gregory A Hurwitt
> Sent: January 26, 2006 7:44 AM
> To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [foxboro] Typical Orifice Flowmeter Compensation
> Calculations
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> Bernoulli's equation underlies the original orifice sizing=20
> calculation.
> The equation given below is based on the ideal gas law, and is used to
> calculate the approximate mass flow at conditions other than=20
> the design
> temperature/pressure. The closer the gas is to ideal, the better the
> approximation. Small molecules that don't tend to interact=20
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> (e.g., methane, nitrogen) are excellent candidates for this method.
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> One very common gas behaves in a non-ideal manner: steam. =20
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> of the water molecule causes interactions between the=20
> molecules that are
> not accounted for in the ideal gas model.) We have done some=20
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> and determined that ideal-gas compensation is in many cases=20
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> better than no correction at all for steam. The further away=20
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> design conditions. the worse the error.
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> For steam you need a steam table. There are ways to=20
> approximate one using
> CHARC blocks. Does Invensys sell a "physical properties" package that
> includes a steam table? Can this package be accessed by a CP?
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> Greg Hurwitt
> BASF Corporation
> Freeport, Texas
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> I haven't looked this up or derived it, but isn't this=20
> applicable for a gas
> only? I think this comes out of Bernoulli's equation and=20
> the ideal gas
> law, assuming an adiabatic expansion across the orifice.
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> The equation would be different for a liquid, correct?
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> Jim
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> [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Pablo Lioi
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:13 AM
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> Subject: Re: [foxboro] Typical Orifice Flowmeter Compensation=20
> Calculations
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> Kirk,
> Hope this helps:
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> CALCA BLOCK
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> RI01 FIxxxx.PNT
> RI02 PIxxxx.PNT
> RI03 TIxxxx.PNT
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> M01 1.013 (Base Pressure, Bar)
> M02 273.15 (Base Temp, Kelvin)
> M03 298.15 (Reference Temp, in Kelvin)
> M04 18.103 (Reference Pressure, Bara)
> M05 350 ( max differential pressure, mBar)
> M06 6.39 (Flow @ max dif pressure, Ref. Pressure and Ref. Temp)
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> ADD RI02 M01
> ADD RI03 M02
> DIV
> MUL M03
> DIV M04
> MUL RI01
> DIV M05
> SQRT
> MUL M06
> OUT RO01
> END
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> The formula is
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> Qcomp =3D Qref Sqrt[( FI/FImax) ((PI+1.013)/(Pref + 1.013)) *
> ((Tref+273.15)/(TI+273.15))]
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> Pref+1.013 is stored in M04
> Tref+273.15 is stored in M03
> FImax is stored in M05
> Qref is stored in M06
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> Determine Qref with a flow calculation program, using FI =3D=20
> max differential
> pressure, P =3D work pressure T =3D work temperature
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> Pref is the work pressure and Tref the work temperature
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> Note in the above formula that if (FI=3DFImax, PI =3D Pref and TI=20
> =3D Tref) then
> Qcomp =3D Qref, so the formula compensates for the deviations from the
> reference pressure and temperature.
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> You can put this formula in Excel and make a table of Qcomp=20
> vs. P and Qcomp
> vs. T and compare results against your flow calculation=20
> program to see how
> it works
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> I am using SI units. If you need otherwise, just change the values in
> M01-M06
> As you see, the transmitter is not calculating the square=20
> root of the diff
> pressure.
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> If you have square root at the transmitter then the MUL RI01=20
> line has to be
> moved after the SQRT, leaving the rest unchanged (you still=20
> need the SQRT
> for the FI range, pressure and temp).
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> Good luck
> Pablo Lioi
> System Engineer
> TOTAL AUSTRAL
> ARGENTINA
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> >From: kirk.d.carver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Reply-To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [foxboro] Typical Orifice Flowmeter Compensation=20
> Calculations
> >Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:32:17 -0600
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> >I am comparing some different configurations on our project=20
> and wanted to
> >get a quick survey of how others perform flowmeter=20
> compensation in I/A.
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> >Assuming two flavors of 4-20mA flowmeter signal:
> >a) in H2O (or psi) differential
> >b) volumetric flow (square root in the transmitter)
> >How do you compensate the flow for pressure and temperature?
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> >Calc block steps would be appreciated.
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> >
> >Hook 'Em,
> >Kirk
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> >Kirk Carver, PE
> >ExxonMobil Development Company
> >Facilities - Instrumentation and Controls
> >12450 Greenspoint Drive
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> >Houston, TX 77060
> >(281) 654-4881 (Greenspoint Office)
> >(713) 350-1158 (Worley Parsons)
> >(713) 962-2549 (mobile)
> >kirk.d.carver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (best chance of contacting me)
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