Re: [foxboro] Exceed 10.0 fonts
- From: "Murray, Steve" <SMurray@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:19:07 -0700
Hi Terrence,
The IA font problem only appears when you are viewing remote draw apps or
the old Display Manager, not FoxView itself. I don't use AW70s, so I have
no idea whether there is an issue them as well.
I typically run FoxView on a 22 inch monitor at 1680 X 1050 in TrueColor
mode using Exceed 5 or 6 at home and it looks great (& BIG). But when I
start the ICC or legacy historian or any of the other remote draw apps I
have to leave them at their default window size or I lose the menu arrows.
This is not a huge problem for me because I know which arrow is which after
years of using Exceed on PCs that don't have the IA font installed on them.
When I access my older IA system that uses the legacy Display Manager it
is quite a different story. The old DM uses the IA font for all of the drop
down menu arrows, and our displays make extensive use of the IA markers. It
is the IA font that doesn't scale at the larger window sizes.
The IA font problem was a little embarrassing the first time it happened
on our Plant Manager's new 24 inch PC monitor, but we have adjusted. It is
not a show-stopper by any means, so I have not invested any time in looking
for a fix. Most of the Exceed users are still using Windows 95 or NT at 800
x 600 or 1024 x 768. My Windows 3.11 machines are happily running the old
DM at 640 x 480.
Steve Murray
Asarco
-----Original Message-----
From: Doucet, Terrence [mailto:tdoucet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:42 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Exceed 10.0 fonts
From the FoxView Notes
"For proper operation of the I/A Series software with Windows NT =
operating system, configure the graphics board for 1024x768 pixel =
resolution with 256 colors"
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[mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De la part de Brazell, Troy L Jr
Envoy=E9=A0: December 14, 2006 11:13 AM
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Objet=A0: Re: [foxboro] Exceed 10.0 fonts
The difference is that I run my monitor at 1024 X 768 (even on the
twenty inch). Easier for an old man to read :-).
Thanks
Troy
-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Murray, Steve
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:07 AM
To: 'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Exceed 10.0 fonts
Hi Troy,
My desktop PC is using 1280 x 1024 (native resolution of my Dell LCD
monitor), and while Foxview works fine at full screen mode the old DM
only
works up to about 3/4 screen. I used to run at 1024 x 768 and never
noticed
the problem at all, but any higher resolution I have tested has the same
problem.
The normal Exceed installed fonts scale ok & they look good at full
screen, but the IA font that is used for the Up & Down menu arrows and
quite
a few markers on our displays disappears. The font that is displayed
instead is the one that is used if you open up a DM without having
installed
the IA font on your PC.
Reducing the size of the window does not bring the IA font back.
It is annoying, but not catastrophic. I just have to remember not to
maximize the old DM window.
Steve Murray
Asarco
-----Original Message-----
From: Brazell, Troy L Jr [mailto:tlbrazell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:26 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Exceed 10.0 fonts
Steve,
That is very interesting. We have not experienced the issue with the
higher resolution monitors, however we do set the properties to run in
the 256 color mode so that we can see the alarm pages. It does mess up
the colors somewhat, but the fonts stay the same and we are able to run
the DM full screen.
I wonder if it is a difference in the versions of exceed or in the
startup scripts that we run?
Troy
-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Murray, Steve
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:38 AM
To: 'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Exceed 10.0 fonts
Hi Tim,
I use Exceed 5 & 6 on PCs ranging from 486sx's running Windows 3.11 to
Core Duo T2400's running Xp. Fonts & colors are the biggest headache I
have
to deal with, and I have found Ron Deen's Xterm manual to be invaluable.
It is on the Cassandra Web site at:
http://www.thecassandraproject.org/archive.html
I get the best results by having only three fonts installed on the PCs
that are only looking at FoxView and have them in this order:
K P misc
K P 75dpi
K P 100dpi
For PCs that also look at the legacy Display Manager I also have:
L P ia
loaded at the top of the list.
Uncheck "Automatic Font Substitution", and cross your fingers.
Having additional fonts installed sometimes leads to very odd displays
on
different PCs - some never use them but others will.
Another odd thing we found when we started using larger resolution
monitors with Exceed is that the old Display Managers will only allow
you to
increase the window size to a certain point before it quits using the
"ia"
font. =3D3D20
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Once this happens you can't get the font back until you shutdown the
display and restart it.
Good Luck,
Steve Murray
Asarco
-----Original Message-----
From: Lowell, Timothy [mailto:TLowell@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 6:06 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [foxboro] Exceed 10.0 fonts
Ok, I tried HH1077 to the letter, the fonts are loaded, and nothing
changed.
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I think I need to take a step back. How do you typically invoke a
FoxView from the Xstart icon on the remote PC? I haven't worked with
Exceed since FoxView came out, so I've never had to do that before. The
way it is set up here is that they log in as root, use REXEC, and run
"/bin/sh /pathname/runFV name_of_remotePC" in the Xstart Command field.
The file "runFV" is a modified version of another file called "runDM"
that successfully starts a DM with the correct fonts. All I did was
change one line in that file, the one that says
"/usr/fox/wp/bin/dm_wp50" and changed it to
"/opt/fox/wp/FoxView/foxview". As I mentioned earlier, a FoxView
appears on the remote PC, but the fonts aren't right. I copied
fontdef.dat around to pretty much every place imaginable, so I don't
think that is the problem. I think I am being too simplistic in
invoking the FoxView. I think I need to use some other script that
actually is tailored for all of FoxView's quirks, but I have no idea
what that is, and I can't find it on the web site or Cassandra. Can
anybody help?
=3D3D20
Tim Lowell
Control Systems Engineer
Tesoro Corporation
(office) 210-283-2929
(mobile) 210-253-0225
tlowell@xxxxxxxxxxx
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