Lyle, First Defenders is more of a group of friends than a normal guild. We're much less 'power' oriented and much more 'have fun' oriented. You'll find that we have many ways of helping each other get good items and such as well though. Our message board is at http://pub24.ezboard.com/bfirstdefendersroundtable57085 our policy is much like I jokingly stated in group chat. You post a thingy stating that you are interested in FD... we make a big point to hook up as much as possible and let everyone possible get to know you... make sure that 1) you feel comfortable with us and 2) we feel comfortable with you. Be advised that we do have a great many couples and familys ( including children ) in guild. So we ask that cursing and such be kept to a minimum or within tells. I really don't expect that to be an issue, but it has been in the past so I thought I'd mention it. Anyway.. go to the message board, post away, and holler at anyone who shows up on a /who all first for the next week or so.. by the way, I'm copying this to the Guild Email string. Not everyone's on it but a good many are. Thanks and talk to you again soon! As always, Craig and Gisela ( Wally 'n Silly )