Hi, Etniers, I agree with Batya (in her post from 28. November) when she says that one should encourage clarity and conciseness in expression, and that there are better styles with which to express the examples I brought up (in my posts about "can not"). However, the original question was whether one should take off points for a particular usage. I was under the impression that a teacher should encourage better style but, at the school level, take off points only for grammatical mistakes. My point was that there is room for "can not" in modern English grammar and that it is an admissible style, even if it is not the style most favoured by English speakers. I am not sure that a school teacher is justified for taking off points for a grammatically correct sentence simply because the style is not optimal. Indeed, clarity and conciseness are often subjective: from a mathematician's point of view, most English teachers would not be able to write an essay either in optimally clear or in optimally concise style. (No offense meant.) Hence, perhaps annotations such as "OK, but it would be better as: ....." or "OK, but awkward. Better:..." without a loss of points would be more appropriate. David Reid ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------