[etni] Re: etni Digest V6 #169
- From: a a <yebs@xxxxxxx>
- To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:59:30 +0300
I used to print out materials for my students, and then I started keeping track
of the costs (ink and paper) and discovered that this was an expensive habit.
I now ask one of the school secretaries to do this for me.
Esther
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> etni Digest Wed, 25 Jun 2008 Volume: 06 Issue: 169
>
> In This Issue:
> [etni] misc. thoughts
> [etni] project work - home/school work
> [etni] teaching position
> [etni] English play for jr. high
> [etni] new (semi-old) ETNI poll
> [etni] Teacher Wanted
> [etni] Re: project work - home/school work
> [etni] Fw: WITH YOU!!!!!
> [etni] Fw: re: misc. thoughts
> [etni] Fw: re: WITH YOU!!!!!
> [etni] Re: Fw: re: WITH YOU!!!!!
> [etni] Re: Fw: re: emails
> [etni] teaching position - corrected re-post
> [etni] Are you a bagrut marker?
> [etni] Re: Lost in translation
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> From: Kathi Pearlmutter <kathip@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:29:13 GMT
> Subject: [etni] misc. thoughts
>
> Hi Bari - you are assuming that students have computers, internet
> access, and printers at home. Unfortunately we can not all assume
> this - and I cannot assign any computer work at home, requiring me
> to spend much more class time on a project. Plus time printing
> them out on the office printer so that the can have them for their
> oral bagrut. kathi
> "Since we don't normally have computer access while they're
> working in
> class, I have them find the material at home, print it out and bring
> it to class to work on. " â??
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:29:15 +0300
> From: "laurie ornstein" <laurenmadeline@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] project work - home/school work
>
> Hi All,
> In response to Bari's comments about having kids do their Internet
> research at home...
>
> This is fine if the pupils have Internet access at home and or
> access to a
> good library. Another point to consider is if they are capable of
> gleaningthe information on their own.
>
> I've found that I must devote a lot more time to the projects,
> and in
> class, if I want to see worthwhile results. Some of the work we do
> in the
> computer room. Not all.
>
> Laurie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:22:58 +0300
> From: "Leah Harris" <morahharris@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] teaching position
>
> Ulpenat Nerya (a growing religious girls jr. high and high school) is
> looking for an experienced and dynamic English teacher to join our
> staff.Please contact Leah Harris at morahharris@xxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:29:53 +0300
> From: "Leah Harris" <morahharris@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] English play for jr. high
>
> We're looking for a play (maybe a musical) that would be
> appropriate for a
> religious girl's jr. high to learn and perform next year,
> something to liven
> up our English program a bit (without being totally overwhelming
> for the
> staff).
> If you have an appropriate script, and maybe tips on how much time
> we can
> expect something like this to take, I'd appreciate it if you could
> email me.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Leah Harris
> Ulpenat Nerya
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ask Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] new (semi-old) ETNI poll
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:42:46 +0200
>
> Hi all,
>
> A new (semi-old) ETNI poll is up:
>
> When do you start planning for the new school year?
>
> 1. planned before the school year ends
> 2. close to a month before the first day of school
> 3. about two weeks before school starts
> 4. close to one week before the start
> 5. use plans from previous years
>
> Go to -
> http://webaxy22.migvan.co.il/cgi-bin/vote/vote.pl?ID=277465
>
> to vote.
>
> (Or go to the ETNI homepage - www.etni.org - and click on
> "Vote/see
> results" )
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: <linda8@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Teacher Wanted
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:43:09 +0300 (IDT)
>
> The Enrichment Centre for Gifted Children
> Ort Braude College, Karmiel
>
> The Enrichment Centre is looking for a dynamic, imaginative
> English teacher to work with groups of gifted children.
> If you are interested, please send your CV to:
> Linda Weinberg
> lweinber@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:39:44 +0300
> From: "Bari Nirenberg" <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Re: project work - home/school work
>
> I should have made a few points clearer. First of all, I was only
> referring to my five point students. For my other students
> (3-pointers this year), I let them try to find information on their
> own, but I also bring them articles that I've found and printed out.
> When your students are working in groups, this isn't so hard to do,
> because there aren't as many projects.
>
> As for Internet access, I have to point out that I do NOT work with
> "privileged" kids -- I work in a comprehensive high school in Beer
> Sheva and many of our students come from families with financial
> problems. However, I've found that most of them DO have computers and
> Internet access and when they work in groups, at least one or two of
> the group members always has access to the Internet (this was NOT the
> case a few years ago). In addition, I will let my students go to the
> library or the computer room during class time if they need to.
>
> I've found that when I devote too much class time to project work,
> some of the groups spend more time goofing around than they do working
> and others finish and end up with nothing to do. I should point out,
> though, that they are not required to hand in their projects on the
> last day of project work in class. The only thing I ask them to
> do by
> then is let me see their rough drafts so that I can correct them.
> Once everything has been handed back to them, I give them another week
> or so to get their projects ready at home (this is more "busy work"
> than anything else -- typing, designing a cover page, doing any
> creative work that I've required and planning their oral presentation
> if they haven't done so already).
>
> I don't know what "worthwhile" really means. I expect my students to
> hand in a project that has met all of the requirements laid out by me
> and is four to five pages long (the body of the project, not including
> the cover page, table of contents, introduction, conclusion or
> bibliography), with each student contributing one to two pages.
> Again, this is for a five point class. I require less of my weaker
> students, of course.
>
> Although I started out doing projects that included research questions
> (What is the connection between x and y?), I now try to do "lighter"
> projects on topics that the kids find more interesting. One of my
> favorites was the project that my five-pointers did on sports last
> year. They each had to pick a major sporting event and then "cover
> the event" as if they were there. The project included the
> history of
> the event and/or the sport, an "interview" with a famous athlete (they
> didn't actually interview anyone -- they wrote the questions and
> answered them based on the information they found), a section on
> injuries common to the sport and a description of the sport itself,
> any equipment used, etc. The kids enjoyed doing the project (yes,
> even the girls -- one group of girls did their project on Wimbledon
> and it was excellent, as was their very creative oral presentation)
> and it was even fun to read. This didn't take any longer than two
> weeks in class (not including oral presentations) and it got the
> students reading and writing. In short, it achieved its purpose
> without demanding an unreasonable amount of class time.
>
> Bari
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:29 AM, laurie ornstein
> <laurenmadeline@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > In response to Bari's comments about having kids do their Internet
> > research at home...
> >
> > This is fine if the pupils have Internet access at home and or
> access to a
> > good library. Another point to consider is if they are capable
> of gleaning
> > the information on their own.
> >
> > I've found that I must devote a lot more time to the projects,
> and in
> > class, if I want to see worthwhile results. Some of the work we
> do in the
> > computer room. Not all.
> >
> > Laurie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Fw: WITH YOU!!!!!
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:51:28 +0200
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: judyastary@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: WITH YOU!!!!!
>
> Thanks to all of you who wrote in response to the Urgent Message
> regarding
> marking Bagrut exams this summer - which is imminent. Not one
> single voice
> of dissention has been heard.
> Please keep on writing, and come prepared on Tuesday!
>
> Judith Astary
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Fw: re: misc. thoughts
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:49:19 +0200
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bari Nirenberg" <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: re: misc. thoughts
>
> I suspect I go through at least one or two ink cartridges a year
> printing stuff out for my students on my own printer. Although most
> of them do have Internet access (see my previous post) a lot of them
> have trouble printing (they're out of ink, the printer doesn't work,
> etc.), so I just have them either email me their stuff or bring it to
> me on a disk (disk-on-key) and I print it out for them at home.
> Somehow, they usually manage to print out their sources at home, but
> if they don't, I'll do that for them, as well.
>
> Bari
>
>
> Kathi Pearlmutter wrote:
> > Hi Bari - you are assuming that students have computers,
> internet access,
> > and printers at home. Unfortunately we can not all assume this -
> and I
> > cannot assign any computer work at home, requiring me to spend
> much more
> > class time on a project. Plus time printing them out on the
> office
> > printer
> > so that the can have them for their oral bagrut. kathi
> > "Since we don't normally have computer access while they're
> working in
> > class, I have them find the material at home, print it out and bring
> > it to class to work on. "
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Fw: re: WITH YOU!!!!!
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:31:58 +0200
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linda - lsk120@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: WITH YOU!!!!!
>
> I had written to my friends/fellow markers responding to the
> "Urgent
> Letter", but realized I should have also voiced my feelings on
> ETNI, to
> show support.
> No dissention here, either! We had better stick together and not
> make a fool
> out of ourselves like we did....(finish the sentence)! IF we give
> in, we'll
> have only ourselves to blame.
>
> Linda Kuras Mizrahi
>
>
> Judy wrote:
> >Thanks to all of you who wrote in response to the Urgent Message
> regardingmarking Bagrut exams this summer - which is imminent. Not
> one single voice
> of dissention has been heard.
> >Please keep on writing, and come prepared on Tuesday!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:07:38 +0300
> From: "Bari Nirenberg" <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Re: Fw: re: WITH YOU!!!!!
>
> I don't see any reason for us to give in in this case. Bagrut marking
> isn't anyone's primary source of income. Yes, it does bring in a nice
> sum, but I manage to put food in my family's mouth for the rest of the
> year without marking Bagrut exams. Personally, I'm sick and tired of
> doing what I consider a mediocre job of marking simply because there
> are so many exams to mark. I work seven days a week marking (yes, I
> mark all day on Shabbat and my religious friends make up for that
> missed time by marking at all hours of the day and night -- even
> at 3
> a.m.) and I still feel very pressured to get it all done, which I
> always do, but at a price. I start every single marking period
> totally stressed out thinking about the 432 compositions that I'm
> expected to mark a week (unseens are generally easier, though not
> always). I don't have time to cook or clean my house (as a fellow
> marker discovered when she needed to use my bathroom one day
> before we
> headed up to the Marvad). My kids have learned to stay far away from
> me, as I'm not pleasant to be around. Why on earth would anyone want
> their students' (or children's) exams marked under conditions like
> these?
>
> I'm glad we're finally taking what I hope is a united stand. We spend
> years preparing our students to take these exams and they deserve to
> have them marked under appropriate conditions.
>
> Bari
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Ask_Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda - lsk120@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: WITH YOU!!!!!
> >
> > I had written to my friends/fellow markers responding to the "Urgent
> > Letter", but realized I should have also voiced my feelings on
> ETNI, to
> > show support.
> > No dissention here, either! We had better stick together and not
> make a fool
> > out of ourselves like we did....(finish the sentence)! IF we
> give in, we'll
> > have only ourselves to blame.
> >
> > Linda Kuras Mizrahi
> >
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks to all of you who wrote in response to the Urgent
> Message regarding
> >
> > marking Bagrut exams this summer - which is imminent. Not one
> single voice
> > of dissention has been heard.
> >>
> >> Please keep on writing, and come prepared on Tuesday!
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:43:26 +0300
> From: "Michele Ben" <mggben@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Re: Fw: re: emails
>
> David Lloyd once asked that we send messages to the list at the
> followingaddress:
> ETNI <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Furthermore, he also requested that we not use fancy formatting
> because it
> turns the message into a mess.
> He also asked that we not reply to individuals at "ask" because
> then he has
> to forward the messages to their destination - something which is
> very time
> consuming.
> If you hit "reply all" and then delete everything but ETNI <
> etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, your reply will always go to the list.
> Michele
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Ask_Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "sbshai" <sbshai@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ask@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: emails
> >
> >
> > When replying to a message, I'm sure most of us automatically
> push the
> > 'reply' button -- so I hope that explains why not all the
> responses make it
> > to the list!
> > By the way, is the following the correct address for sending
> replies?> ask@xxxxxxxx
> > Thanks,
> > Batya
> >
> >
> > Daniel wrote:
> >
> >> Please when responding to a posting respond only to the list
> and not to
> >> individual emails as it generates dozens of unnecessary emails.
> Especially>> when the response is directed toward the group and
> not the individual who
> >> wrote it necessarily. Thank you.
> >> Secondly while it is all very humourous and satirical to
> receive a
> >> response
> >> from Barry as long as we accept the status quo we are
> perpetuating the
> >> problem. Barry mocked my comment on salaries but let's face it
> we teach
> >> because we want to train future technical writers to be good
> writers. Why
> >> shouldn't we make nearly as much as they do?
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:48:35 +0300
> From: "Leah Harris" <morahharris@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] teaching position - corrected re-post
>
> Ulpenat Nerya is looking for an experienced and dynamic teacher to
> join our
> staff. We are a growing religious girl's jr. high and high school
> (7th-12th grades), situated in Nerya, which is about 25 minutes
> out of Modiin
> (past Hashmonaim and Kiryat Sefer).
> Please contact Leah Harris at morahharris@xxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:44:28 +0200
> From: Jack Pillemer <jackpil@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Are you a bagrut marker?
>
> No, well then ignore this or pass it on to someone who is.
> English bagrut marker,
> Do you know that over 200 markers (from the winter marking)
> decided not to mark this summer unless the quotas per hour for
> certain modules are adjusted before the starting date?
> Have a look here http://bagrutmarkers.wetpaint.com to see how /
> if the issue is resolved before the tidruch.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:13:30 -0700
> From: Barry Silverberg <barisil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Re: Lost in translation
>
> Hmm, this would make the classic jazz chant come out like this:
> "Big mouth John Brown didn't say a brit?"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barnett
> To: Etni
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:05 PM
> Subject: [etni] Lost in translation
>
>
> Hi etniers,
>
>
>
> Here are some of my favourites caused by misuse of dictionaries.
>
> Classic blooper:"I went to the shop and bought a kilo of heavy"
> (meaning "liver" - kaved). Jewish-interest bloopers: I ritual bath
> that I will pass the exam (meaning "hope" â?? mikve/mekave) He did
> not say one circumcision (meaning "word" - milah).
>
>
>
> On the subject of subtitles, another curiosity. There is a scene
> in the film of "The French Lieutenant's Woman," in which a member
> of the hotel staff at the reception desk (late 19th century and
> very Victorian decor, note) says in relation to the sick woman,
> "We should call the doctor". The subtitle was "Tzarich leâ??talfen
> la rofeh" i.e. â??We should telephone the doctorâ??.
>
>
>
> Joe Barnett
>
>
>
>
>
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