**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** The questions and answers below have been very helpful. Still one thing is not completely clear. A student who takes module A this year and goes on the following year to do modules B-E, with the intention of having the 3-point mark to rely on should he fail the four-point test and takes the 4pt oral test - what happens if he fails the 4pt test? Will his oral still count or will he have to retake it? At 18:39 08/11/2003 +0200, you wrote: >**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** > >Dear Rivka, > >Sorry for not answering you sooner. >My answers are below in capital letters. > >Judy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rivka Lewenstein >To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 PM >Subject: [etni] NBA booklet and some question > > >**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** > >To Judy and everyone else who I'm sure put many, many hours into the NBA >booklet, > >Kudos on a job well-done. The booklet is clear and concise, yet includes >basically all the information that we need to know. (I say basically because >teachers HAVE come up with various questions, and I have a few of my own as >well.) It was a real pleasure for me to read it. Now I feel that I really >have everything I need to know about the Bagrut at my fingertips, as >compared to the past when I had to look up old chozrei mancalim, call up >inspectors and others "in the know", or post my question on Etni. This >booklet will definitely make life a lot easier for us English teachers. > >I was also happy to see the order form for the booklet available on the Etni >site, since this is one booklet I feel every English teacher MUST have a >copy of, at least until the new Bagrut has been assimilated by all. > >Now, for a few questions and comments: > >1) Will we be getting more sample exams over the course of the year? I am >planning to have my 11th graders take modules A, B and C (some only A) this >year, and feel that as good as the sample exams are, they're not enough to >work with. I would like more sample exams for practice and to give as >Matkonot. Is there any chance of this happening? > >NO ADDITIONAL SAMPLE EXAMS WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE MINISTRY. HOWEVER >TEACHERS CAN ADAPT PREVIOUS BAGRUT EXAMS NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE SAMPLE ONES. > >2) Regarding the extensive reading program, the booklet says that 1-point >students need 2 book reports, and that 3-point students need 2 book reports. >Does this mean that 3-point students need 2 book reports when doing module A >+ another 2 when doing modules B and C, or do they need only 2 in all? (The >reason I ask is because at the bottom of the same page, regarding the >literature program, it is made very clear what the difference is between >3-point students who have already done module A and 3-point students who >haven't done module A.) > >THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. THE ANSWER IS THAT IF STUDENTS >START WITH MODULE A THEY READ TWO BOOKS. IF THEY MOVE UP TO MODULES B AND >C, YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO READ AN ADDITIONAL TWO BOOKS. (All in all 4 >books). > >3) Bari already asked this, but in a slightly different fashion: Let's say >that I have students doing only module A this year, and next year they do >modules B-E, with the intention of having the 3-point mark to rely on should >they fail the four-point test. Do they have to be tested twice orally in the >same year? After all, the oral test for 3 points is different from the >4-point oral test. If they take only the 4-point test, what would they do if >they failed the 4-point test? > >IF PUPILS TAKE THE THREE POINT EXAM (A, B AND c) AND THEN WANT TO TRY THE >FOUR POINT EXAM (D AND E), THEN YES, THEY DO NEED TO TAKE THE ORAL AGAIN >BECAUSE THE RATING SCALES ARE DIFFERENT. > >Thanks and all the best, >Rivka > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > >##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### >##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx ##### > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rivka Lewenstein >To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:41 PM >Subject: [etni] NBA booklet and some question > > >**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** > >To Judy and everyone else who I'm sure put many, many hours into the NBA >booklet, > >Kudos on a job well-done. The booklet is clear and concise, yet includes >basically all the information that we need to know. (I say basically because >teachers HAVE come up with various questions, and I have a few of my own as >well.) It was a real pleasure for me to read it. Now I feel that I really >have everything I need to know about the Bagrut at my fingertips, as >compared to the past when I had to look up old chozrei mancalim, call up >inspectors and others "in the know", or post my question on Etni. This >booklet will definitely make life a lot easier for us English teachers. > >I was also happy to see the order form for the booklet available on the Etni >site, since this is one booklet I feel every English teacher MUST have a >copy of, at least until the new Bagrut has been assimilated by all. > >Now, for a few questions and comments: > >1) Will we be getting more sample exams over the course of the year? I am >planning to have my 11th graders take modules A, B and C (some only A) this >year, and feel that as good as the sample exams are, they're not enough to >work with. I would like more sample exams for practice and to give as >Matkonot. Is there any chance of this happening? > >2) Regarding the extensive reading program, the booklet says that 1-point >students need 2 book reports, and that 3-point students need 2 book reports. >Does this mean that 3-point students need 2 book reports when doing module A >+ another 2 when doing modules B and C, or do they need only 2 in all? (The >reason I ask is because at the bottom of the same page, regarding the >literature program, it is made very clear what the difference is between >3-point students who have already done module A and 3-point students who >haven't done module A.) > >3) Bari already asked this, but in a slightly different fashion: Let's say >that I have students doing only module A this year, and next year they do >modules B-E, with the intention of having the 3-point mark to rely on should >they fail the four-point test. Do they have to be tested twice orally in the >same year? After all, the oral test for 3 points is different from the >4-point oral test. If they take only the 4-point test, what would they do if >they failed the 4-point test? > >Thanks and all the best, >Rivka > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > >##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### >##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx ##### > >##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### >##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx ##### Dina Rosenfeld denro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx #####