**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** Dear Tom and all -=20 1. the teacher in question ("pedaling to the metal") is definitely NOT = an excellent English teacher - her command of English is lacking in at = least two fields (namely, knowledge of idioms/slang and in the ability to correctly use newly acquired vocabulary).=20 All things considered, the ideal teacher for a "NS" class would be a NS teacher with a perfect command of Hebrew and solid didactic training. = Look around, and you'll find that there are many who fall into a different category: "a NS who happens to be teaching English," rather than "a professional teacher who happens to be a NS." But... 2. the so-called "NS" Israeli pupils' grammar is horrendous. You may of course disagree, but NNS teachers can teach grammar better than NS = teachers: the latter "acquired" the language (often with fairly limited explicit grammar study), while the former learned it through systematic = instruction (probably closer to adulthood, when their L1 grammar was sufficiently well-developed).=20 3. NS teachers have certain ostensible advantages: for example, they = know not only the language but also the culture inherent in this language. I strongly doubt, though, that this aspect is so important for Israeli = pupils. At home they will speak a code-switching variety of English littered = with too many Hebrew words (which is understandable: English has not yet developed many notions required to express local realia); they watch = Israeli cable, listen to Israeli radio and talk Hebrew most of the time; their values and cultural preferences are Israeli, not American nor British. = As regards the rest of the Commonwealth, they can hardly tell Australia = from Austria. 4. Another advantage of NS teachers as perceived by employers is their accent. May I tell you something: clarity of speech has nothing to do = with accent. "Hebrish," offensive as it may sound to your ear, reflects = spelling in a much better way than the speech of many NS teachers who often = disregard the decoding difficulties experienced by many of their pupils. And = besides, what career are you preparing your pupils for if accent is so important? Spies?! 5. Talking of accents: for 25% of speakers of English it is their L1 = (native tongue); another quarter (about 400M) speak it as L2; finally, about a = half (800,000,000 people) speak English as a foreign language. So the ability = to decode utterances of another NNS is probably more valuable than the = ability to speak with a "native accent" (which one?). Read David Crystal for = more on that. Finally (and don't take this personally): you have just made a spelling mistake: "definAtely" instead of "definitely" (typical "phonetic = spelling"). So what's the point in being a native speaker? We all make mistakes; = no-one speaks or writes impeccably. Cheers -=20 L ----------- Lev ABRAMOV <lev[at]schiffman.biz> The Shiffman Institute www.schiffman.biz -----Original Message----- From: etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Tom Balazs ----snip--------- An excellent non-native English speaking teacher asked me what it means = to "put the pedal to the metal". I explained that this means to drive = quickly. I later walked by her classroom and heard her tell the class, "I'm = driving down the road pedaling to the metal." ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx #####