Good morning to one and all on this wintry weekend, I wholeheartedly agree with you David with regard to cheating being a consequence of the system. Of course not all kids cheat, in fact the large majority don't. Those who do are under pressure to succeed no matter what. As a school counsellor I meet many kids who simply collapse under the weight of work, exams, tests, projects etc etc. In the main these kids are good pupils who have great difficulty in dealing with the amount of subjects being studied at the same time. Of course all the symptoms of exam phobia can raise their ugly heads at any age but seem to be especially prominent in the 10-12th grades . In my humble opinion we should adopt a system whereby kids do not have to study so many subjects for "bagrut" and are allowed far more choice in what they study. It goes without saying that there should be a large reinvestment in schools teaching practical subjects such as plumbing, electrics, carpentry, car mechanics and anything else that will give kids who are not, for various reasons, academically inclined at that particular time in their lives. My ideal school would combine the best of both the academic worlds and the real world and give all of our kids a chance to succeed. Have a safe and warm weekend Barry Praag Har Vagai From: "David R. Herz" <davidrherz@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [etni] Cheating Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:40:52 +0200 Cheating is the consequence of an educational system (and those who support it) that puts other things before learning and good values. I would suggest that the student be acknowledged for his/her ingenuity, be advised that the teacher is not as naïve as the student thinks (i.e. we?ve been there, we know how to cheat too), and ask the student if this is really how he or she wants to be known, that is as someone who can not be trusted to do his own work and sneaks around and is willing to do whatever is convenient to serve his own needs. Yours Truly, David R. Herz -- Rivers know this: there is no hurry. We shall get there some day. Winnie the Pooh Pooh's Little Instruction Book