Yes we will have to pay through the nose to recover from Coronavirus. Of
course no one could possibly countenance taxing the super rich, whose
wealth has increased by over 25% during the pandemic.............
And the super rich who own the bus companies aren't about to see their
source of profit undermined by daft ideas like free buses either.
Gordon
On 15/11/2020 16:38, Alexander Basran (Redacted sender a_basran for
DMARC) wrote:
Whatever the potential merits of this proposal (and there are many in public transport schemes) it is unlikely that there will be support for yet more taxes rises to pay for it after the tremendous rises we are about to see to pay for the Coronavirus costs.
So that would be my response to the “why not” at the present time.
On 15 Nov 2020, at 16:26, Noel O´Reilly <noeloreilly@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:noeloreilly@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes, agree, why not consider free buses, especially as Sheffield blazed a trail for it in the past?
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*Subject:* [eccotalk] Re: Ambitious plans for the future of travel in Sheffield
Those of us who have lived here for decades (I came as a student in 1972, Chriss was born here) will remember when the bus fares were so cheap - in the early 1980s - that there was talk of making the buses free. You have to go to the likes of Estonia for that sort of thing these days.
I remember like it was yesterday when I decided to go out with a mate into the Peak District on the August bank holiday Monday in 1976. We got to the bus station - lived in the east end in those days - to find a queue of double deck buses and the place full of people, pouring onto the buses as fast as they could pull up and go - all going out to the Peak District, either via Ecclesall Road or Abbeydale Road.
It is only libertarian ideology that stops this coming back - if they can do it in Estonia which is merely the 100th wealthiest country in the world, whilst we are sixth - half our wealth per head - then why can't we?
Gordon
On 15/11/2020 11:20, Noel O´Reilly wrote:
I've been living in the area for a year and it's great - friendly neighbours, vibrant shops and other amenities, great walks urban and rural. Around here, Sheffield lives up to its reputation for being the 'outdoor city' with joggers, cyclists, ramblers of all ages enjoying the parks and woodland. But there is one downside, which is that the traffic congestion on Brocco Bank and Ecclesall Road is appalling. During the first lockdown when there was little or no traffic the neighbourhood was transformed into an earthly paradise. Much of the traffic is probably unavoidable - e.g. freight, deliveries, people who use their vehicles for work - but this isn't the case with privately owned vehicles. The Sheffield Plan is committed to addressing climate change and we can't address that without reducing private car use. And it isn't just an environmental issue. Traffic density is a huge health and safety issue, associated with asthma and other respiratory illnesses. The only way the Sheffield Plan can meet its objectives is to prioritise public transport, and that includes taxis, whether in the bus lane or otherwise. As a newcomer, I don't know the city as well as most of you, but it's clear to achieve the objectives of the plan we need safe cycle lanes on Ecclesall Road, more priority given to pedestrians (which might include wider pavements where possible), traffic calming to reduce speeding, affordable car share schemes and other measures to reduce congestion and improve health and the quality of life. Or perhaps we should follow the national government's new plan for Stonehenge and double the volume of traffic by digging a tunnel under the city?
Noel, Everton Road
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It's not just about taxis and buses - shared bus and cycle lanes is even more dangerous!
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, 11:41 Scott Royal, <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thanks Gordon
I look forward to seeing the detailed proposals, but Ecclesall
Road need more than 'improvements to public transport'. Its a
vastly wide road with ridiculously poor quality, narrow
pavements. There is a way of satisfying all of the current
requirements upon Ecclesall Road (pedestrian, car parking, bus
routes, cycle routes) but it requires creativity and vision. And
money.
But on the very simple scale, they should stop taxis using the
bus lane. Horribly dangerous.
Perhaps an ECCO response would be appropriate?
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On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 10:26, Jose Garcia
<jgarciahome@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jgarciahome@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi,
Very interesting, I’ve signed up for updates from the
council website and look forward to joining the conversation.
Thanks for sharing
José
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 10:14, nick nuttgens
<nicknuttgens@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nicknuttgens@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Thanks, Gordon. There will be many devils in the detail
but it’s exciting that all over the country changes are
happening. I believe that many EU cities are further
ahead, partly because they have greater devolved powers
in some countries eg control of energy schemes. But
change is afoot here. Some ECCO members may not know
that a consortium of local environmental groups has
recently won funding from the National Lottery’s Climate
Action Fund to develop a bid for a big programme of
community based low-Carbon projects across South
Yorkshire. If we are successful in the next round too,
we will have £2.5 million to spend.
A key point here is that every politician or council
Officer repeats is that the changes to our
infrastructure will need public support which means lots
of discussions need to happen within communities so
everyone understands why the changes are needed. Many
people, even now, don’t talk much about climate change
so I’d encourage ECCO residents to talk all around the
topic, and exchange views about the best ways forward.
There is a helpful little guide here on how to do this:
https://climateoutreach.org/reports/how-to-have-a-climate-change-conversation-talking-climate/
Best,
Nick
Nick Nuttgens
07403 494696
This is my email for personal correspondence.
On 14 Nov 2020, at 08:50, Gordon Ferguson
<gordon.ferguson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:gordon.ferguson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Note that one of the schemes in this programme is for
Ecclesall Road.
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Sheffield City Council is launching a new project,
Connecting Sheffield, which will focus on encouraging
active travel and supporting the shift towards
sustainable transport in and around the city.
Connecting Sheffield will encompass a range of
transport schemes focused on delivering change for the
city’s walking, cycling and public transport
infrastructure.
The new scheme follows a successful bid made by
Sheffield City Region, supported by Sheffield City
Council, for funding from the Department for
Transport’s Transforming Cities Fund. Sheffield will
receive £50m which will be used to improve public
transport, walking and cycling links to encourage
people to leave their car at home.
The funding will deliver the first major step in the
Council’s vision to transform travel in Sheffield and
make it possible for more people to choose walking,
cycling and public transport first. The reduction in a
reliance on car journeys, is a priority for the city’s
future, not only to help ease congestion but to help
address climate change and improve air quality in
Sheffield. Future funding will support further schemes
brought forward in subsequent phases.
Lower traffic levels have been seen during the pandemic
as people have taken to walking and cycling on more
journeys. It is hoped that this continues, as changes
to travel infrastructure are prioritised.
The first phase of the project will focus on key areas
that have been identified as locations where people are
making short car journeys from home to work in the city
centre and Lower Don Valley, including Neepsend, Kelham
and Nether Edge. The proposed schemes will enable these
to be made more safely by cycling, especially for
shorter trips, and more quickly and reliably by bus.
The Transforming Cities Fund will focus on improving
travel links through the following schemes:
* Across the city centre
* Neepsend & Kelham to the city centre
* Nether Edge to the city centre
* Magna to Tinsley
* The city centre to Attercliffe and Darnall
* On Abbeydale Road and Ecclesall Road
More information on the individual schemes can be found
on the Connecting Sheffield website, at
bit.ly/ConnectingSheffield.
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All of the proposed schemes will be subject to public
consultation, and the feedback received will help to
inform the development of the routes identified. Under
the current terms of the funding from the Department
for Transport, all work must be completed by March 2023.
*Councillor Bob Johnson, Cabinet Member for Transport
and Development at Sheffield City Council, said:*
“Connecting Sheffield is a major first step in
overhauling our transport network to put walking,
cycling and public transport at the forefront of travel
choices available in our city.
“We know that for lots of people, travelling by car is
sometimes the only feasible way of getting from A to B,
but we want to make sure that walking, cycling and
public transport are realistic options, especially for
getting to work and for shorter journeys.
“It is disappointing that we did not receive our full
bid for funding from the Government. Equally, we could
never deliver everything we want to in this first
phase. Other schemes will come in later phases.
However, these projects still represent a major first
step in developing our plans to create a more inclusive
and diverse travel network that over time will
transform how people move around Sheffield.
“Throughout the Covid-19 pandemic we have seen an
increase in walking and cycling as people have taken
the time to get outdoors and explore both their local
communities and our wonderful parks and countryside,
and we hope to make it possible for more people to
continue to do this.
“Despite current restrictions, bus services will also
remain a crucial part of our transport infrastructure
into the future, helping thousands of people to get
about. Although improving travel infrastructure may not
seem like a priority right now, this work is vitally
important in making sure our transport system is fit
for purpose so that people can get to work, access
services and visit family and friends now and in the
future.
We know we have a long way to go to get where we need
to be, but we are excited to be able to make a start.”
*Dame Sarah Storey, Sheffield City Region Active Travel
Commissioner, said:*
“I am delighted to see Sheffield launch Connecting
Sheffield which will deliver their active travel plans
over the coming years. We have been working closely
with Sheffield City Council to enable their ambitions
for walking and cycling to become a reality. Back in
July our new infrastructure standards were adopted at
the MCA and since then there has been some impressive
work going on to deliver suitable schemes that will
offer active travel alternatives for short journeys
within Sheffield."
*Dan Jarvis, Mayor of the Sheffield City Region, said:*
“The Transforming Cities Fund will help to achieve our
ambition of a transport system for South Yorkshire that
is fit for the 21st century.
“By enabling walking and cycling, and improving public
transport, these Connecting Sheffield schemes will
reduce congestion, improve air quality and allow people
to live more active lives, which will improve their
mental and physical health.
“Revolutionising how we travel to include modes which
are beneficial to the health of both the planet and our
people is vital as we develop a stronger, greener and
fairer economy and society for South Yorkshire.”
*Martin McKervey, Chair of the Sheffield Property
Association said:*
“Our cities are evolving. Both investors and people
living and working in cities are increasingly looking
for quality of life, a city that’s easier to get around
and people friendly, with a cleaner environment.
Sheffield is ideally placed to deliver on this but it
needs the right infrastructure in place. That’s why we
wholeheartedly support this new vision for Connecting
Sheffield and look forward to hearing more about the
detailed proposals.”
For more information about Connecting Sheffield and for
updates on the schemes visit
bit.ly/ConnectingSheffield.
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