Thanks also for the info. It is really helpful and I appreciate all the input I can get!! Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: Lmonform@xxxxxxx To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:22 PM Subject: [duxuser] Re: Cover Page With Boxes I agree with Catherine! When I used DBT to create graphics, boxes, or math diagrams, I generally used 6-key entry and created the graphic in Braille - for example, if you really need a box, your first character can be the Braille representation of the letter "p" (dots 1-2-3-4), your rightmost ending character can be the Braille representation of the "th" contraction (dots 1-4-5-6) and you can use the Braille for "c" (dots 1-4) for the intervening characters in the line. Your bottom line would use the Braille "v" (dots 1-2-3-6) for the leftmost delimiter and the Braille "ble" (dots 3-4-5-6) for the rightmost delimiter. You'd use a minus sign (dots 3-6) for the intervening characters in the line. The intermediate lines of the box could use "l" (dots 1-2-3) for the leftmost delimiter and the literary indicator (dots 4-5-6) for the rightmost delimiter). I found that working directly in the Braille mode made it very easy to produce many of the geometric diagrams needed for 8th grade algebra and math tests in general. In a message dated 8/31/2010 12:01:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, braille@xxxxxxxxx writes: An old-fashioned way of creatting a text box in a braille document which should still work either in your word processor or in DBT is as follows: 1. For your top line. count the number of characters you want and type either opening or closing parenthesis (or both) across the line. 2. For your side lines if you want to truly have a box, at the beginning and end of each line, type the word "like" without the quotes. Do this for as many side lines as desired. 3. For the bottom line of your box, type as many parenthesis as were on your top line. Note: Using the word "like" will translate to the letter l. If your actually use the letter l to create your side lines, you will have something which includes letter signs which you do not want. Another Note: Tactile boxes are another one of those things in which common sense plays a major part. For instance, I once transcribed a vocabulary book in which the spelling words on a particular page were boxed. This made perfect sense. Putting tactile lines around these words made the troup easy to find in spite of the fact that each page had them in a different location. At other times, when text boxes have repeated material already in the text just to make it stand out to the sighted view, I have omitted these, always making note of the omissions. As a braille reader myself, I always keep in mind that braille is to be read, not to be admired. If additional tabs, off-sets with dashes or asterisks, etc. make material easier to read, I generally add them. If a blank line inserted here and there makes a new section easier to locate, I have no hesitation in inserting these regardless of the way the print looks. If the clutter of italics and underlining and bolding is simply ,aking a mess without achieving a useful purpose I don't have a problem in leaving this stuff out. The Transcriber's Note can be a wonderful thing. It allows you to convey information about the print without making braille documents hell to read. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Catherine Thomas braille@xxxxxxxxx / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * *