I agree with Rick and don’t really understand the issues swirling around
conversion therapy either.
However, I laughed out loud at Paul’s reflection on Alcoholics Anonymous. What
a well crafted second sentence – kudos to you Paul for your levity.
Bob Thomlinson
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We should also ban alcoholic anonymous conversion therapy. We need to allow
the alcoholics to blossom in a garden of acceptance and explore their inner
beauty and cherish the freedom they feel as their minds are set free from the
destructive confines of sober narrow mindedness.
On Thursday, March 18, 2021, 09:08:21 AM PDT, Rick Gafuik <ricali@xxxxxxx
<mailto:ricali@xxxxxxx> > wrote:
We live in such a complex world and we get so many things wrong. I do not
know what is right or wrong with this specific issue.
https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/city-of-nanaimo-looking-at-banning-conversion-therapy/
<https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/city-of-nanaimo-looking-at-banning-conversion-therapy/>
<https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/city-of-nanaimo-looking-at-banning-conversion-therapy/>
City of Nanaimo looking at banning conversion therapy – Nanaimo News Bulletin
The City of Nanaimo wants to take a step to support members of the LGBTQ
community to be free to be themselves. At a meeting Monday, Nanaimo city
council voted unanimously in favour of Coun. Sheryl Armstrong’s motion to
request a staff report outlining options for the City of Nanaimo to ban ...
www.nanaimobulletin.com <http://www.nanaimobulletin.com>
Rick
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If the legal system allows a 10 year old child to make their own decision to
change their sex with hormones and or surgery without parental involvement.
Common sense would dictate that they also have the mental maturity to take
drugs, smoke, get a tatoo, watch porn, engage in prostitution , and any form of
sexual behavior with adults. In other words , stand back and watch a 10 year
old destroy his life before it even starts in the name of ‘woke’ freedom. “If
anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it
would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and
to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” Matt 18:6
Paul kruper
On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 07:35:22 AM PDT, Frank Lewis
<livingincranbrook@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:livingincranbrook@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Thank you Norm for initiating the topic and to Willow who brings a scholarly
and life experiences to the table.
Many United Churches are Affirming Congregations (The Affirming Ministries
Program is a network of primarily United Church ministries that strive to be
fully inclusive of people of all sexual orientations and gender identities. You
don’t have to be United Church to take part, though!).
Suzanne is a member of Hillhurst United Church located in the Kensington
neighbourhood of Calgary. While COVID has piled up negatives one positive for
us has been electronically finding this church from a far.
Cheers
Frank
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 20:41 Norm Larkins, <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Thanks Willow for your thoughtful and sensitive comments. It affirms my
decision to forward the img. I trust it will give others cause for thought,
and hopefully comment for discussion with others of the group.
Norm
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Unhappily those opposed to early hormones, blockers, and transition generally
for kids have faced nasty attacks for years. Blanchard and Peterson at the
Clarke Institute in Toronto, once stalwarts of trying to hold the line have
both retired. Ken Zucker, world renown expert on childhood transition was
actually terminated by the Clarke after a rush of politically correct
choristers. A report noted for inaccuracies was used. He sued and recovered
damages. In other countries, from England and France to Scandinavia, those
opposed to or advocating strict controls have reeled under attacks from the PC
crowd. Even transsexual women, including myself, who supported controls were
attacked on the Internet and media. So, while it is true that some are aware
of their gender issues from a very early age, it is also true that other young
are swept up in a fad of sorts. Most kids who claim to be trans “grow out of
it” as they reach their twenties. The problem is that there is no way to tell
which is which. A mistake is a mistake for life and often there is no turning
back once the process starts.
The Zucker situation was instructive. He had been know as one of the very few
experts on childhood transition. His therapy was directed at questioning the
urge to change. The opposing side basically said “if you want to change, no
one should stop you”. A simplification, to be sure. Parents were encouraged
To be supportativeand not challenge children who said they were trans. Many
professionals were in favour of this approach. Zucker challenge that concept
and was thus accused of reparative therapy. This article gives a fuller
explanation of the controversy:
https://www.thecut.com/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html
Willow
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 5:00 PM Norm Larkins <normlarkins@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:normlarkins@xxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I don't know if any of you will find this offensive (I did), but those who are
trangendered may find it offensive, or at least insensitive, because some of
them insist they were aware shortly after birth and before they reached school
age that they were the opposite sex from the body they were given. Others
became aware of their transgender later, so it could also be offensive if the
age was given as 10 or even 15.
Thought about forwarding this for 2 days, and finally decided to do it because
it may stimulate some thought.
Norm
