Bryan, I like Wynn have been a sceptic of the science. The popular media has
never published the complete facts, only generalizations….somebody said this
and somebody said that. It is very understandable that the general public can
be confused and lead one way or another.
The way Canada is treating Climate Change is to re-distribute wealth I feel,
and little of the taxes associated with Climate Change are being used to
actually come up with scientific solutions that can move mankind forward
without going completely backwards and lowering the standards which we live in
now. Wind power and Solar power are not feasible economically or practically
for the number of souls on earth…..which has tripled in my lifetime…..can the
earth itself sustain our current numbers…..hmmmm.
Lots of uncertainty and science in my mind has a lot of work to do before there
are PRACTICAL solutions.
Dave
Dave Kerr
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On Sep 23, 2022, at 10:35 AM, R Bryan Waller <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
It was a few years ago but as I recall the scientists compared natural
cycles in the weather to anthropogenic changes using various markers.The huge
changes in weather patterns since the industrial revolution led to the
inevitable conclusion that the new weather cycles were man made.To use an
analogy natural weather cycles were a slow moving tortoise whereas man made
changes are a speeding bullet,unfortunately aimed at our heart.The evidence
presented was overwhelming and even my skeptic smart guy with a science
degree was totally convinced.Bryan
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 22, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Wynn Payne <wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Bryan
I envy you having that discussion.
I totally believe that the earth's climate is changing. I'm just not sure of
the why.
What convinced you that burning fossil fuels is a significant part of the
change?
Wynn
On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:05 AM R Bryan Waller
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I was a climate change denier until about 5 years ago.My wife and I hosted
a lunch to discuss that very subject.Two eminent University professors who
were in Victoria for a conference attended to advance the anthropogenic
argument and very well read lawyer with an additional degree in science
took the other side.By the end of that very pleasant lunch which extended
for several hours I was convinced that the burning of fossil fuels was
degrading our planet in a catastrophic way.Remember part of my history was
as a cattle rancher in Alberta where climate change was and continues to be
scoffed at.I am convinced in the science beyond any doubt.I agree Gore made
a fortune by being an alarmist and by exaggerating predicted outcomes.I
agree a balanced approach is warranted.I am however firm in my affirmation
that the science is irrefutable and we must do more…. much more.Bryan
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 16, 2022, at 9:48 AM, dsp.ea.large.messages@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
From: Wynn Payne <wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: September 16, 2022 10:46 AM
To: DSP.EA.Large.Messages@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Fwd: Conrad Black: A measure of dissent
Interesting followup to my question of yesterday.
Beware this is a right wing newspaper.
Wynn
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Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 5:06 AM
Subject: Conrad Black: A measure of dissent
To: <wynn.payne@xxxxxxxxx>
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More than 1,000 signatories, including climate scientists and other
experts, have endorsed a "World Climate Declaration," asserting that there
is no present climate emergency. The foundation Climate Intelligence
(CLINTEL) produced a one-page statement arguing that climate science
should be less political and more open about the many uncertainties in
predictions of global
temperature changes and more comprehensive in judging the costs and
benefits of proposed policy measures, especially radical reductions in the
use of fossil fuels. CLINTEL was founded in 2019 by geophysics professor
Guus Berkhout and science journalist Marcel Crok. Both men are Dutch and
Prof. Burkhout is an 82-year-old former petroleum engineer; Kroc is a
journalist who has frequently criticized what he regards as the
incompleteness and deliberate inaccuracy of alarmist reports about the
climate.
They are not convinced that CO2 is the principal agent of contemporary
climate change, but whether it is or not, they have concluded that
increases in CO2 emissions and the very modest rise in the world's
temperature over the last 90 years are not harmful to nature. Crok stated
in an email to the Epoch Times that, “The climate hysteria surrounding the
topic is totally unjustified (and) the ‘cure’ — getting rid of fossil
fuels ASAP and replacing them with renewables — probably will be worse
than the ‘disease.’ ” They circulated their succinct summary and as of
Aug. 23 had received 1,152 signatures.
Crok acknowledged that advocates of proactive fossil fuel reduction had
objected to CLINTEL’s findings and had particularly made a point of the
fact that many of the 1,152 signatories are not now active climate
scientists and that many are retired. He said that both these claims ”are
true and very understandable,” by which he meant that the status of many
of the paper’s supporters is understandable, not the activists’ objections
to them. He explained that the majority of working climate scientists
today rely on government money for their income and that climate activists
are so zealous and aggressive, those who dissent from the conventional
wisdom do so at risk of their jobs. Crok made the point that activists
dominate the media and academia and almost never engage in direct debate
with those who consider the possibility that a less alarmist view than the
conventional wisdom is not just a cranky denial of “settled science.”
The activist leadership rely on their domination of the media to discredit
the dissent as coming either from parties financially interested in
traditional energy sources, or eccentric or even mad contrarians. Many
commentators, however, have pointed out that these decades of mistaken
dire predictions of imminent climate disaster are bound to incite
skepticism. The climate disaster has supposedly been imminent for over 50
years.
Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore, who has made himself a
centimillionaire from his decades of doom-laden climate jeremiads,
produced his film "An Inconvenient Truth" 20 years ago. It made a number
of alarmist claims, including whole cities under water and frequent
super-hurricanes, that never materialized. It has been well over a decade
since the Prince of Wales warned us that the end was nigh and that we
would all be doomed within "less than 100 months" without drastic
conservationist measures. It has been more than 15 years since
then-British prime minister Tony Blair, otherwise a sensible man, wrote to
European leaders warning that, "We have a window of only 10-15 years to
take the steps we need to avoid crossing catastrophic tipping points."
Of course, the fact that all of this has proved to be nonsense, as many
people at the time evidently believed it to be, does not mean that there
is no truth to any of it. Not a single person in the world approves of the
pollution of the air and water, and in many countries, great and
gratifying progress has been made in cleaning up the environment. But it
is becoming increasingly obvious, especially in western Europe and more
recently in the United States, that the sensible majority of citizens will
not tolerate the unsustainable increases in the cost of normal life
inflicted on all of our societies by a headlong rush into sustainable
energy. Fossil fuel, carefully contained and incentivized to have as
little damaging impact as possible on the environment, is about to make an
irresistible political comeback. The appointment this week of climate
skeptic Jacob Rees-Mogg as Britain's secretary of state for business,
energy and industrial strategy, which is responsible for energy and
climate policy, is a portent of this.
The eco-zealots have refused for 30 years to acknowledge that we
absolutely do not have any precise predictions of where present climate
trends may lead. It is hard to argue with CLINTEL’s statement that “the
gap between the real world and the modelled world tells us that we are far
from understanding climate change.… Climate models have many shortcomings
and are not remotely plausible as global policy tools."
The CLINTEL paper continues to attract learned supporters and it warns
that, “Climate science has degenerated into a discussion based on beliefs,
not on sound self-critical science.” What we need is research; the current
bum’s rush toward the suppression of petroleum-based energy is a
potentially mortal self-inflicted economic assault conducted by a
ramshackle spontaneous coalition of authentic conservationists, naturalist
fantasists, credulous faddists, resourceful Marxists and a generality of
anti-capitalists. No country has been more profoundly afflicted by this
planetary blunder than Canada, and no large country is less offensive to
the environment or better placed to lead serious objective research to
assure that humanity responds constructively to climate issues. It is
needless to add that the current federal government has not only missed
the policy bus; it has embarked on a dysfunctional policy leading away
from where we should be aspiring to go: achieving adequate knowledge to
enact the best policy.
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