Hi Ken I know where Texas is...unfortunately never been there but would love to visit it oneday. I used to work for a vet from there who qualified at Texas A&M. She was great fun and came from a cattle farm where she grew up with quarter horses. Some people have all the luck huh! My family were never into horses and rather just tolerated my fascination for them. It is hard i the UK. The horse community is a tightly-knit community and quite elite. Unless u are prepared to work like a slave people do not like you going near there horses, let alone drive them. If you pay, of course, it is a different story. Carriage Driving is probably less notorious for it's attitude to those not fortunate enuf to own their own horses but you get the odd one or two. Dick Lane drives teams here and is in my opinion a most kind and nice man. I did try making a debut back into horses but unfortunately the people I met just confirmed my suspicions that I'd rather own them than work for people who do. Altho I am sure there are some nice employors in the industry. I just lucked out on finding some. I offered my services free of charge so that I could learn about driving. The only condition was that the patrons paid my way to the competitions. A lovely couple who drive a bew team of Fressian horses replied to the positive. The horses were beautiful and the people were nice. Inexperienced team drivers but successful in pairs. The invited me to assit them at a competition in Scotland, along with their groom. It started out great but as things progressed things turned from great to a nightmare. Firstly, on the basis that I held a degree in Equine science it was assumed that I knew nothing at all. With all the knowledge floating in my head you can imagine how frustrating that was. I have been working in the computer indutry for some years and my practical experience all came back save the fact that i was unfit and not used to the physical labour. My first mistake, which is an unforgiveable one is that i woke up late the first morning we were there. However, I was not officially the groom and I had been invited to come and 'see' if things there suited me. Unfortunately the groom was also up late and the horses never got fed when designated. I felt terrible but at the same time it was the current groom's responsibility in any case. I accepted the reprimand with grace and felt one was deserved. However, the man in question continued it like I'd committed a crime and indsulted for the fact that I smoked and that I was irresponsible and could never expected to be emploed with that attitude. If I'd been in his employ I wouldhave deserved it but I was a guest and I felt the intensity of his words disrepectful. The day went from bad to worse. They were not cometting that day but still, the horses had to be driven out. TEam work is different and with five horses 1 groom is insufficient and I have only had experience with singles and pairs. They knew this but continually patronised me for my lack of speed and knowledge about the harness and reins..........as you know each team kits up differently and for each combined trial event different harness is different. The first thing that caught my guard was when we drove aout and the groom backstepping incorrectly told me that one leans against bends when turning, like when one turns corners on a motorbike. . I told him this was incorrect and he told me to shut up cos i knew nothing about teams. Next we drove over a bump and I squealed in delight but not loudly enuf to frighten the horses. I was just so happy to be on the vechicle. The next day i was standing waiting for coffee when the owner approached me with what i thought. I said i loved it and was very keen, especially in learning about backstepping. He then proceeded to tell me I was to weak to do it (as I was a woman) and that i was too fat!! and i was very unfit and that i did not have the bottle escpecially if I screamed on the vechicle !!! I was horrified. I told him that he had no basis onwhich to judge my courage and that my unfiness was probably due to the fact that since college I had been working in a office with computers and that fitness is a gradual process. They then whent out driving and left me to muck out all five stalls, including water, hay feed and dragging all the muck miles aways. Then I had to clean the harness and make sure everything was tidy. I did not mind that much but again I was a guest and not in their employ yet. So, for the rest of the competition that was what happened. I never saw one obstacle, walked the course or saw one dressage test. I was left to tidy up and make ready for their return. Don't get me wrong, hard work is not what scares me.....but i felt used.....that i was left ith all the dirty work and got to do none of the fun stuff...or even see an obstacle on the course. Then while i was waiting for the team to come in off the marrathon another team came in with an injured leader, pouring with blood.. They were in need of help so I helped them get the horses unharnessed and as the injured one was down I felt obliged to lend a hand. Witha ll the comotion i was left holding onto the injured leader while the rest of the team was taken care of. Unfortunately during theis my team arrived.. As it is ' team' work the team I helped assistaed them in unhitching etc. I was left with teh injured horse. The driver explained to my guy what had happened and he said no problem i should stay with the horses as his team was dealt with. That night things turned into a nightmare. During dinner I was just about to sit down to eat and was instructed to go muck out the horses....I had to leave the dinner table and do this in the middle of my dinner. The groom sitting there all smug and 'go slave girl' I know horses must be taken care of but he was also the groom. It could have been us both doing it. Then pride swallowed a dog from our camp got loose and attacked by a bigger one. I ran around the whole show ground searching for a vet, which i got and the dog was rushed to surgery. My 'boss's' wife then profusely thanked the other groom for finding the vet!!! I was ignored. Then my 'boss' told me he did not want me going to the bar without money because it embarrassed him. I had told him previously that i had no moeny and was out of work. The deal had been that i was their guest. He was embarrassed because if people offeref me a drink i had no money to return the favour. I was a bit put out because I actually had friends on the grounds and do not drink anyways. Then I was asked to take one of the stallions out. I did this and led the stallion out with a chain on his nose. As I did not know the horse I did not wanna chance it that he got away from me. I was then reprimanded for incompetence and not needing the chain or being able to comntrol the horse. I explained my reasoining and was just patronised again. I got upset and left. I went to see a friend close by. When I returned I learned that the team had overturned in the water and the reason was the groom lent the wrong way and overballance the carriage. The expert he was talking to comfirmed to me that one leans into the bends and that bounding a carriage is more about velocity and timing more than strnegth because at 600kg + no-one could lift it. It was a small victory for me........confirming that I did actually know something and the groom was indeed a twat! After that i had an arguement with the man and basically told him I was well aware of the work required with horses and that i was aware I was unfit and belived that i had been invited as a guest to see what it was all about and that i had made it very clear i was out of money and out of work................. Unfortunately i need to go for now as I am currently in South Africa and about to fly back home to England. Whem I get there I will continue this story for you all. Perhaps thus far you have some comments. Thanks Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth H. Williams" <lonestr7@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: who's driving > > That makes it a little difficult doesn't it? If I was in the UK you'd be > welcomed any time. Unfortunately I'm in a little country called Texas (and I'm > not ashamed that President Bush is from Texas). > I went driving this a.m. but it wasn't exactly a pleasure drive. I sold the > team that I've been using on the wheel for the last five years, Pat and Rex. > They are going to a novice driver that is starting a carriage company. We went > on an hours drive and they got along great. Fortunately the guy trains riding > horses so he does understand a little. > This team has always been a good team for giving rides. Over the years they've > hauled thousands of people. I tried to talk the guy into hiring me to work for > him the first week to teach him the ropes but he didn't take me up on it. > I love to drive. The weather here is in the 80's (F). We were supposed to get > rain last week but we didn't. > Go to http://www.lonestarhitch.com and you can drive them virtually. > Good luck. > Ken > > Gail Smith wrote: > > > Thanks Ken > > > > I would love to learn to drive a team and my boyfriend would probably > > backstep or navigate.....but alas, no horses > > > > I would come help ya but i am in the UK :o( > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rhapsody R Rhodes" <AppyHollow@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <drivingpairs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:56 AM > > Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: who's driving > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-94021E4; charset=us-ascii; > > format=flowed > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > > > At 05:44 PM 03/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > >She can come to my house and drive anytime she wants. > > > >Ken > > > > > > I wish someone would come up to my house & drive with me. I have 4 that > > > drive & 1 that is almost ready to get behind. And only me that > > > drives. I'm going to get started with my team next week. Woo > > > Hoo! 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