[drivingpairs] Re: drivingpairs Digest V5 #80
- From: "Fletcher, Mary Ann" <MFletche@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:26:15 -0400
When I drive my mini mare with her son, a mini mule, and he does anything to
annoy mom (walk or trot too slow or too fast), she reaches over and tries to
bite. She cannot because of tightened noseband. However, the threat causes him
to lean away. Any suggestions?
Mary Ann Fletcher
Professor
Department of Medicine-R42
University of Miami School of Medicine
1600 NW 10th Ave
Miami, Fl 33136
Office: 305-243-6288; FAX: 305-243-46-74
Cell: 305-975-3450
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drivingpairs Digest Tue, 04 Apr 2006 Volume: 05 Issue: 080
In This Issue:
[drivingpairs] Re: pushing pair
[drivingpairs] Re: Pushing Pairs
[drivingpairs] Pair musings
[drivingpairs] Pushing Pair
[drivingpairs] Hardy's article
[drivingpairs] Hardy's Article
[drivingpairs] Re: Hardy's Article
[drivingpairs] Private Posting by Mistake
[drivingpairs] Re: Pair musings
[drivingpairs] pushing pairs
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From: "David McWethy" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: pushing pair
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:05:37 -0700
Switch them. This sort of thing seems to come and go. I was never able to
determine whether it came from some discomfort of the harness or what. One
horse starts it, and the other has to respond, and it escalates. It can be
either pushing together or pulling apart. Sometimes worse going downhill.
Switching will work, and it may be different when they return to the
original sides. Switching is a good idea anyway.
Dave
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:25:11 -0400
From: Lori Horner <redfox@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: Pushing Pairs
Hi all! I don't have a solution but I have an uglier problem. My pair of
mares will alternate between REALLY leaning into each other and REALLY
leaning away from each other. It doesn't matter which side they are on -
they still do both. It's like watching little kids in a pushing or
tugging war. They lean so much it looks like they'd fall over. They do
it in a pair and they also do it as my leaders in a four. It doesn't
matter on trail/road conditions or what gait they're doing. They don't
do it with any of my other horses and they are very straight when driven
single. The easy solution would be not to have have paired together but
they are finer built than my wheelers. Besides, I'd really like to
figure out how to solve the problem.
Many thanks in advance,
Lori
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From: Hzlax@xxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:39:48 EDT
Subject: [drivingpairs] Pair musings
I very much prefer starting young horses in the pair. Maybe because I am a
confirmed pair driver. I don't do much single driving at all. I can teach
bending much better in the pair (figure eights - and I just wrote a long
article for
the Pairs website on it. We'll wait till Helen puts it up if you want to read
more on it- although I have mentioned it a few times already on the list).
But then, since I am a pair driven in my heart, I have no need to teach the
horse much single driving either, as I never plan to use them much single. I
want
to use them in a pair. This is the pairs list, so here I can admit it. Horses
are herd animals, they like to be in a pair. So why bother to drive single if
you have a pair :-). But yes, I also admit, sometimes they must go single.
If one doesn't want to pull at all, hey, here comes the tire to pull in the
ring, first light and slowly weight added. He'll learn to pull. Also, of
course,
I have the luxury that my wife does a lot of training under saddle, which
helps working out some single issues. But I also find driving a young horse in
the pair much safer. The older horse give the youngster confidence. He can't
just turn around and leave town, when he spooks, the old guy holds him steady,
etc etc. I have a student here who has four mules and drives them in pairs.
All of them are fine in the pair, she rides them too, and under saddle has had
occasional spooks, turn arounds, run aways etc. So she is under strict
instructions from me to never drive any of her 4 mules single. Too risky. But I
encourage her to pair them up in any configuration, and it works fine (They are
ready now also to be driven as four-in-hand, and I have trust and confidence
that
we won't have any problems at all. But I don't want to drive any of them
single. No sir, not me.)
So for me, friends, it's pairs - and up. The more the merrier. No problem
either to put a youngster in the wheel of a team. He has even more security
there, and learns best to go through water, up hills etc etc. Learning in the
group
is much easier than by himself, I think.
But I agree, if you do plan to use the horse single one day, or also in a
tandem, sure, then they also must learn to work single properly.
Hardy
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From: Hzlax@xxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:39:50 EDT
Subject: [drivingpairs] Pushing Pair
What happens if you switch them? And yes, also as Noel suggested, when you
drive them single? (So contrary to my other post today, this is a good example
where single driving does have it's benefit!) And if they are doing it only
on blacktop, ok, then at least you are ok on other roads. That's good, so we
need to figure out what the problem is on blacktop, and why are they so afraid
of it? And then need to find a way to carefully get them to get confidence
again on blacktop. Drive on regular roads where they are not afraid, and then
only
a few steps on blacktop, maybe a blacktop parking lot, where you can get off
quickly again, if they start leaning, back to the dirt road to go good again.
Lead them on blacktop, first single, then two people like in a pair, then
ground drive on blacktop, etc etc. So, as always in training, try to figure out
what the problem is, and then go back to where you are ok, and then break the
training down into very small steps to very carefully increase your demands
from
there, and only as far as you always can safely. And if you have a problem,
never ignore it and by driving more with the leaning, it only makes it worse,
as you have seen. So we have to stop bad behaviour as soon as it appears, and
find out what the problem is.
Good luck
Hardy
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From: "Helen G. Roeder" <sunshinefarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [drivingpairs] Hardy's article
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:08:28 -0500
Should have Hardy's article up this afternoon. Been out being a 'gofer' for
my farm hand, but I'm back home now and will work on the article and the Sale
Barn. Please be patient.
Helen G. Roeder
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From: "Helen G. Roeder" <sunshinefarm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [drivingpairs] Hardy's Article
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:47:20 -0500
Have just posted Hardy's article to the web site. Working on the Sale Barn
next.
Helen
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From: noel jones <gedeckt@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: Hardy's Article
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:33:09 -0400
I'm still swamped but took time to post to CDL to get a few more
members, maybe.
noel jones, aago
gedeckt@xxxxxxxx
www.frogmusic.com
1 877 249-5251
On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Helen G. Roeder wrote:
> Have just posted Hardy's article to the web site. Working on the
> Sale Barn next.
>
> Helen
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From: noel jones <gedeckt@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [drivingpairs] Private Posting by Mistake
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:58:58 -0400
Ah yes, posting private mail to the list by mistake! Sorry, all....and
if you are not a member of CDL, it is a great group.
www.carriagedriving.net
noel jones, aago
gedeckt@xxxxxxxx
www.frogmusic.com
1 877 249-5251
On Apr 4, 2006, at 4:33 PM, noel jones wrote:
> I'm still swamped but took time to post to CDL to get a few more
> members, maybe.
> noel jones, aago
> gedeckt@xxxxxxxx
> www.frogmusic.com
> 1 877 249-5251
> On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Helen G. Roeder wrote:
>
>> Have just posted Hardy's article to the web site. Working on the
>> Sale Barn next.
>>
>> Helen
>>
>>
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>>
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From: FriesianPrDriver@xxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:30:53 EDT
Subject: [drivingpairs] Re: Pair musings
Well,
We drove the new pair of Friesian mares again last Sunday, although to the
marathon wagon - not the sleigh ;-). I had two "navigators" on the back. The
older one is so reliable - she makes it easy breaking in her little sister.
We drove on the farm first - past all kinds of "scary" things - then went
down the road a couple of miles to a friend's farm. The younger one had to
get
over yellow traffic lines, scary white styrofoam boxes in a creek behind a
guard rail, yellow H's painted on the road, puddles that might jump up and get
you, etc. You could see her confidence growing as they cruised along. She
was so proud of herself when she finally stomped on the yellow H! The best
was the mini paint stallion that came galloping up to the fenceline right
along the road - he was scarier than everything else! She never knew horses
came
that small! My friend's paint horses galloping along next to us didn't
bother her. When we arrived, they stood quietly for at least 20 mins while we
all chatted. Later on the same day, we drove the pair of ponies over to visit
also, along with my Mom's single pony. Was the best fun we'd all had in a
while! :-) Especially for the ponies - they got to let loose and gallop for a
while in the big back field. Very happy ponies! Pairs are way more fun
than singles......
Karen Wilkin
Star Cross Stable Friesian Horses & Sport Ponies
_www.starcrossstable.com_ (http://www.starcrossstable.com/)
47 Yellowbrook Rd.
Freehold, NJ 07728
732-919-3827
f: 732-919-3828
e-mail: FriesianPrDriver@xxxxxxx
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From: "Jim & Dorothy Walter" <svrminis@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [drivingpairs] pushing pairs
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:58:38 -0700
We had this problem a couple of times with our mini 4-up. The right leader
started this in a parade right after a little child ran out from the
spectators and started petting this horse. He didn't expect the petting and
got scared. For the rest of the parade he leaned on the other leader. It
was a site, to be sure.
We were in another parade and the same thing happened. A mother told her
child to rush on out there and pet that horse! WOW, before we could do
anything about it, this poor little horse was being petted again when he
didn't expect it and he did the leaning thing again.
We have never switched them. That does sound like a good way to handle this
problem to me. This horse did stop doing this after each occurance. But I
think if he got scared when being driven again, he would probably do the
same thing. Seems to me it is a security thing for him.
Dorothy
Sunset Valley Ranch
Quality Miniature Horses
Miniature Schnauzers
Our God Reigns
http://www.sunsetvalleyminis.com
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