Kathleen, My thoughts on this, is when they are out at liberty - they can do their own thing. But when you are involved in the equation, you have them in hand, under saddle or harness, then you are the top banana, the leader - those kind of hijinks are disrespectful and dangerous to you. You need to tell the offending party - no! Not here, not on my time, my dime, instead of waiting for the other animal to do it for you. You are the leader. Ground work in teaching her to back off from you - should be able to be translated to other venues. If she starts to crowd in on JH, then use what ever signal you have taught her to tell her to back her off, and maintain a respectful distance. When she shows that she can come in, and be respectful, then she be closer (such as ponying). As soon as she starts even thinking about acting snarky - back out to the end of the line she goes. Consistent leadership and just keeping the door shut on any opportunities that set her up to take advantage of JH will gradually take the fun out of the game for her. I also look at it, that JH is expecting you to protect him while he is under your control. Every episode where he is let down by this, can demoralize him, and loose some confidence in your leadership. With longears patterns of behavior are easily set and he might always want to react this way because it's become a habit, whether he is actually really that scared or not. That's my spin on it, but I'm not a trainer, so take it for what it's worth. Jeanine Fjord, Donkey and Corgi owner -----Original Message----- From: drivingpairs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:drivingpairs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kathleen Conklin Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:53 AM To: driving pairs pairs Subject: [drivingpairs] dominance! hi everyone, ok, here's my problem .... you would think that teaching a young horse to drive with john henry would be cake because jh is older [14] and really broke........ too bad it's not completely correct! here's the story. jh is a baby...EVERY woman in his life is his boss...or that's what he thinks. so along comes agnes and she, as all women seem to do, bosses him around. all she has to do is show him a set of angry ears and he wants to vaporize from the spot while yelling "i'm guilty, i'm sorry"!! agnes will go along when i am ponying her off of jh and look for an opening to bite him in the chest, neck or legs. what this amounts to is that he isn't the best teacher of a young horse. he is more than ready to let her be boss. winkers help when we are in harness because he can't see her antics.... not that she has done anything really bad but she tries to be dominant when it occurs. with jh under saddle she will try to put her head over his neck or do the angry ears thing which makes him step away from her.... you get the picture. are there any training things i can do to help jh become dominate over agnes or at least on an equal footing with her? tally ho, kathleen, john henry \ / & agnes \ / http://john.henry.org http://horseblanketetc.com http://pbase.com/conklink - photo albums _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````