Louisa It sounds like you are describing Yankee breeching. I found it very helpful on hills and in the marathon hazards. There isn't any pressure on the hind legs and you don't have to worry about their legs being pushed under them. One friend liked it so much she figured out how to incorporate the idea into her single harness for hazards. Ann Central Coast California I have no real experience with pairs.... I am in the process of trying to put together my two mares ( full sisters).... I bought a used set of harness that was scarcely used. It has a "hipbacker" breeching...? the wide part of the breeching that normally goes around the rump goes over the back just in front of the dock. I can change replace it with the traditional style. Can someone enlighten me about this... advantages... disadvantages? What would be the purpose of using this? The harness maker who made it said it is more of an Amish design but couldn't offer any advice on advantages... ( and NO I'm not going to do this solo... I want to get equipment inline and then work with a very knowledgeable trainer this winter...) Louisa lurker on this list coming "out" with this post Fair Hill, Maryland _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````