<Dutifully made a beautiful cylindrical wrap of the excess tandem reins - so as not to get tangled up myself. the little Welsh (small ears) wheeler decide that he wasn't going to try to keep his bridle on any longer when he felt some pressure on it - and dropped his head and let the reins of the leader pull his bridle off - of course with the open gate in front of him :-0.> Wow! Sounds like you had a terrific ground person, with how many arms to grab ponies and parts?!?! Sorry about your head, sounds like everything else was fairly well controlled. My main question is what kind of rings were you using to carry the Leader reins on the Wheeler bridle? Regular Roger rings on the browband or the big loose rings on a strap, hanging off the bridle? We have done Tandem a couple times, Traditional turnout the first time. Did Pleasure and CDE with them, extremely reliable, quiet horses. We had BIG problems with the Roger rings on the browband. Wheeler was a horse, normal ears, just EXTREMELY ticklish ears. We shaved out her ears, braided forelock, had earcovers as possible problem prevention steps. She still would bob her head up and down, then shake her head at times. Throatlatch was so tight, we wondered how she could breathe! Braided in bridle as well. Leader was real light mouthed, old Western Pleasure horse trained to go loose reined. She was difficult to keep up on the bit, and after getting jerked by the Wheeler shaking head a few times each drive, could be a problem to keep straight ahead. We didn't know any other way to do Tandem at that time, Traditional methods were not the best for us and these horses. Second Tandem, larger horses who DID take the bit when asked. Experienced as Team leader, she went forward very well as a Tandem Leader. Harness changes involved using the large rein rings on straps of Team Wheelers as Roger Rings for Leader Reins. Rings were loosly tied down so they couldn't flip up over Wheeler crownpiece. Ring and rein between the Wheeler ears is an ADVENTURE!! Using big loose rings, any Wheeler head movement was NOT instantly transferred by rein to Leader, misdirecting her. All 4 reins worked independently which was wonderful, with the increased quickness driver needed to do CDE with this Tandem. Big, responsive, fast moving horses. We used the Tandem Leader bars for this Tandem, made it easier to shorten Leader traces, for safer turns. We were much happier with loose rings for Leader reins and Leader bars in our second Tandem. Lastly, I would suggest that you leave your Leader reins unbundled, unbuckled in any manner. If you need to cast the Leader loose, you just drop the reins so they can run out the front of Wheeler's bridle rings. He should not be able to drop head and have rein pressure pull bridle off. With loose rein ends you have no chance of pulling wheeler bridle off, accidently, with the buckled ends coming up behind his head. We also DO NOT fasten the Leader reins together on the Team of 4. Same safety factor, let the Leaders go, keep control of the Wheelers and vehicle. Sit on extra rein lengths, let them hang into the rear of vehicle, but enable them to be pulled out of your hands, without removing Wheeler bridle if you have a problem. Make any rein carrying ring VERY LARGE. I would advise nothing less than 3" on Wheeler head, to allow rein to run freely forward and back. No chance to bind up on that Wheeler bridle. Big roller rein terrets on the backpads, let the reins move fast. No snagging on splices. Make sure all your rein twists are out, from the Leader bit to your hands. Better luck on your next outing, hope your head and bruises feel better quickly. My admiration to your groundperson for managing so well!! Kathy Robertson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.shtml `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````