Hello, I have been enjoying as well as learning so much from this website. I really appreciate all of you that leave so many valuable bits of information! I started my first pair this Spring and have had a wonderful time with my two Morgan geldings, Rudy 4 yrs and Buddy 6 yrs. Wonderful is not a strong enough world. Absolutely awesome! They are so much fun! When training my Morgans to drives as a pair, right away I noticed the same problem with the pole bumping them in the nose. The pole should be at a length in line behind their chin and yet in front of their throat at breastcollar level. The book says this is the ideal position but in reality with the bumps, lumps, twist, turns, hills, give and take of the harness, proper bending, etc..., it does not always stay there. The crab on the end of the pole was always hitting them in the chops! Worse yet, while one horse was higher than the other due to the terrain, the pole strap that was attached swivel crab end would automatically swivel up with the horse thus twisting the other "fixed" side of the crab and attached pole strap down dragging the other horse with it! My husband has built me 3 beautiful carriages over the my years driving single. He is always inventing new ways to make them better. My husband, the inventor, designed a stainless steel independent "floating crab". Each side of the crab moves independently from the other allowing the horse on either side to have the freedom of movement they need without affecting his partner. This also allows for a smooooooother ride. Not so much jerking around. They are about approximately 4" across each for a total 8" across the end of the pole which alleviates most of the potential of it hitting them on the chin. If your interested in seeing them I will post a picture. Hope this helps. Have a great day! Terri Barker _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/index.php?pg=2 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````