I'm sure this has been asked before (apologies if it has), but for combined driving, do the dressage judges really care (as in noticeable score differences) about color when judging the pair, if it is otherwise well matched in movement? I have a possible future pair in mind (as the filly grows up, she's expected to be the same height and similar build and movement at maturity), but the mare is a black bay (black in winter, almost black in summer, just light enough to see that she has black legs), and the filly will darken to almost black, but thanks to liver chestnut, will have a not quite black coat, and about 4 colors in her mane (gwageous by herself). Next to each other, it will be obvious that they both approximate black in very different ways :) .... Now for height. In ("up-top" :) ) eventing, we're looking for just about 16 hands. That's what the jumps (and 10 meter circles) are designed for. Too short, they can't stride right or get over. Too big, they can't stride right, and make the turns. In combined driving, you have pony and full size. Is there an optimal full size horse size for the obstacles? If my future pair is a matched 15 2.5 hands (cannon bones are so nice, aren't they?), I would assume that we're quite fine for driving, and that the dressage judges won't penalize them for not being as big (read scopey) as other horses? Not that 1.5 inches is the end of the planet by any means, but it got me to wondering in general ... After noticing how wonderfully floaty the older (4 yr old) mare's movement is, and how "fun" it is to ride (flat gaiters are definitely easier to ride when you aren't actively collecting them), though seeing how beautiful it is to watch, and remembering that she's a true throwback to her carriage pulling ancestors, with a legendary dressage sire and old mare line, she seems like a shoe-in for combined driving. But then again, the Cleveland Bay Society doesn't like floaty movement, they like flat, ground covering movement. And they were a cart horse. What if the horse floats over the ground, covering a lot of ground, but floating over it? What if the AHHA (Holsteiners, the legendary carthorse, with Cleveland Bay/Yorkshire Carthorse ancestors) gave her an 8 for this movement as a foal? Please correct me now, before I buy her (just leasing now for a breeding), and then waste time pairing her off with this future-purchase baby :) ... Finally, gaits. Of course I'll assume that trotters are preferred for combined driving. Carriages are how the world got flooded with trotters, when riding horses were traditionally gaiteds :). But does anyone attempt to show gaiteds, and if you pair up a trotter and a gaited, does the gaited trot to match? My gaited (pacer) 23 yr old pulls a buggy quite nicely, just like she did a sulky when she was young, but what happens when you pair one up with a trotter? I have photographed this mare doing all 5 gaits, including trot, so I know she's capable :). Other gaiteds pop on my radar from time to time, and I'm very curious on the topic .... Whew! Okay, I'm done .... thanks! Anya ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````