Hi all! > Esther Brunner wrote: > > > > I use GMail in Safari because for some strange reason I can't send > > mails to the list using my regular e-mail cient Apple Mail. > > > > You we're right, my e-mails have been UTF-8 encoded up to now. I now > > switched back to standard encoding. I hope this causes less problems > > I could read your emails properly all the time with thunderbird under > linux. Dont think this has anything todo with utf8, but with some > funny coding/encryption-problem, that is really interesting, cause > gmail usually sends out its mails very well and safari is a relieable > browser (beside the fact that it does not handle unicode in > dropdowns) Okay to end all the speculation what's wrong with Esther's mails: Nothing. They were just fine, but it looks like the mailinglist software caused a problem... let's look at the source of one of Esther's mails (showing only relevant things): ------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:23:45 +0200 From: "Esther Brunner" <wikidesign@xxxxxxxxx> To: dokuwiki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [dokuwiki] DokuWiki metadata handling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline SGkgTGlzdAoKSSdtIGN1cnJlbnRseSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gaW1wbGVtZW50IGEgT0FJIHJlcG9zaXRv cnlbMV0gZm9yIGEgRG9rdVdpa2kKcHJvamVjdCBvZiBtaW5lLiBCdXQgZ2V0dGluZyBtZXRhZGF0 YSBvdXQgb2YgYSB3aWtpIGlzIG5vdCBlYXN5IGFzCndpa2lzIGFyZSBtYWRlIGZvciBlYXN5IGVk aXRpbmcgYnkgaHVtYW5zIHJhdGhlciB0aGFuIGVhc3kgcmVhZGluZyBieQptYWNoaW5lcyAoYXMg ZGF0YWJhc2VzKS4gV2UgYmFzaWNhbGx5IG9ubHkgaGF2ZSB0aGUgaWQgYW5kIHRoZQpjaGFuZ2Vs <snip> aGVyCgpbMV0gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5vcGVuYXJjaGl2ZXMub3JnL09BSS8yLjAvb3BlbmFyY2hpdmVz cHJvdG9jb2wuaHRtClsyXSBodHRwOi8vZHVibGluY29yZS5vcmcvCg== -- DokuWiki mailing list - more info at http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:mailinglist ------------------------------------------------------ As you can see, the whole mailbody is Base64 encoded, which is perfectly okay to ensure the UTF-8 stuff goes through correctly. The problem is caused by the signature added by the mailinglist software. It is just appended to the mailbody, ignoring the fact that the body is Base64. We now have a block which is partly base64 and partly plain ASCII - what happens with such a mail depends heavyly on the receiving mail client. Sylpheed just ignores the parts that are not valid Base64, Cone tries to decode the not encoded part, producing garbage. Other Clients will throw away the whole body as invalid. So Esther's mails were fine - it seems to be the mailinglist software that is broken (or maybe I misconfigured something). I will CC this mail to the John Madden (the freelists admin) maybe he can fix that. Andi