I used to find that mysterious little bugger all the time, until I realised I could simply copy & paste! ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound Yup, call it jazz or, tell im that you've found the lost chord, LOL! Regards, Phil Muir Accessibility Training Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK +44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Burgess Sent: 15 July 2010 11:10 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound Hey Mike, I am that "musician" but if you vary it enough between takes you can just call it jazz (grin). Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Christer Sent: 14 July 2010 11:37 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound That's always the best way, but, unfortunately, 99% of "would-be" musicians, find it practically impossible to perform the same piece of music, the same way twice! No wot I mean? ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:27 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound On the other hand if you have the time then, double tracking is always better because you will end up with a more interesting sonic pallet. Regards, Phil Muir Accessibility Training Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK +44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Christer Sent: 11 July 2010 21:45 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound I think that's because, with the advent of didge, its so damn easy to perform, plus, you don't get any of those artefacts invading the sonic landscape, that the "so-called" automatic double-tracking" could introduce... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Burgess To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:37 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound It's strange, but this effect used to be called Automatic Double Tracking (ADT) by FX processors that offered it - the term seemed to be everywhere in the 80s, but I now can't recall seeing it used at all lately. Curious. Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Christer Sent: 09 July 2010 19:14 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound First, you've gotta pan each separate track. when you copy & paste the original to its nu destination, paste it not beginning at, for instance, bar 01:01:01, but at bar 01: 01: 025... along with the panning, this creates the width, akin to quote tracking unquote, or "double-tracking"... l8r Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound DJX, if we just copy a track, doesn't it just copy the info from it? so if a track is recorded stereo with a mono sound like drums, isn't the copied track gonna be the same, hence not allowing you to get a panned sound? wouldn't i have to actually play the drum track on a new track and pan them that way? ----- Original Message ----- From: D!J!X! To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: drums a wider sound if you're doing hip hop, here are some ways: Take to samples that sound similar or that you might already be layering. split them out to 2 separate tracks and pan them out a bit. If you're only using 1 sample, take a copy of the track, change the pitch on it a bit and again play with the panning. Spread the channels out as far as you'd like to split the sound. The same can be applied to kicks, it all depends on what kick type you're using. For a bass kick like a tooned 808 or 909, you could do some of it, for other more thump kicks or dry kicks that serve as gound for the beat, it might not be a good idea. Another way of widening the stereo image for any instrument that is mono or too centered, pan it out to 1 side, then get a delay effect and insert it, send the delay back on the opposite side and set a small amount of delay. play with the setting till you get the amount of widening you want. Hard to explain in writing, this is 1 of those things that works better as a walk through. These are some of the techniques i can think of from the top of my head, there's more though. HTH, D!J!X! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:22 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] drums a wider sound Hello, I've gotten the art of making my drums sound decent as far as punchiness, bass, loudness, etc. What i'm wondering, though, is what's a good way to make them sound wider? I know drums aren't usually recorded completely stereo, but i'm listening to radio recordings and the drums sound wider than they do in my recordings. any plugins or techniques you folks could recommend? Thanks for all input! Omar Binno Website: www.bigoproductions.net AIM: LOD1116