[ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
- From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:02:45 +0100
Good tip - thanks.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Doug Daniels
Sent: 03 May 2011 22:18
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: To loud stage
In the recording studio, when a singer is singing sharp or flat, I will
shift their own voice to one ear or the other, this gives them the
opportunity to compare their voice to the other instruments. When their
voice is in the middle, and too loud, they don't compare it to the other
instruments. Also, putting reverb on the singers voice when they are
recording, gives them a false since of their voice, and makes them hold back
or sometimes sing flat or sharp. EGO, comes into it with some rock singers,
and they may ask for reverb, but as a good producer, I will do whatever
makes them do their best work. Sometimes, that means no effects on their
voice at all.
Doug Daniels.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tim Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:47 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Ot loud stage
Steve,
There's a well documented psycho-acoustic effect where your perception of
pitch is altered by volume. This is the reason that a lot of perfectly
decent studio singers appear to be singing flat when they're on stage. The
only solutions are to either get everybody to turn down, or reduce the
volume you're experiencing by wearning plugs, etc.. Volume at te level
required to cause this issue is definitely harmful to your hearing over a
relatively short period, so you need to take this issue seriously.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at
http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: 01 May 2011 11:52
To: ddtots
Subject: [ddots-l] Ot loud stage
Hi all,
At the end of last night Show, I was asked to join the band (who was topping
the bill) The house mix was controlled by a sound engineer, however, the
Band's stage mix was simply their independent Guitar and bass amp levels.
My two questions are,
1: has anyone else been on a loud stage environment where it sounds like the
keyboard is in a different key to the other instruments until the levels
drop during the music, at that point you then hear the key for what it is?
2: When the stage level is so loud you can't hear the keyboards, is there
any technique that totally visually impaired musicians use to A: know your
hitting the right notes and B: keep metronomic?
I struggled last night with these particular issues, I always have a slight
Doppler effect when music is loud, I especially don't always hear the bass
notes as clear defined pitcht notes.
Steve W
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