[ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
- From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:47:56 -0500
Bryan,
Fascinating. I haven't bothered to buy most of the expansion packs
for Dimension Pro. Could I cut and paste only the programs that I actually
have into a hybrid folder/file structure?
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:35 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
We know that Roland, just like Korg, knows exactly how to port their
workstation synth engines over to the computer. It would be good if they'd
get with the program and port some of their sound libraries after 1992. The
TTS-1, GrooveSynth, Orchestral, Quartet, and their other synths are all
using samples and patches from the Sound Canvas, MC303, and the first SR-JV
expansion cards for the JD series synths. That is freakin' old. I know that
they're scared that sales might drop off if they made a software version of
the Fantom engine, but even updating the software-based products to the XV
era would be a huge improvement. Cubase has lots of newer Yamaha
samples/presets in Halion, Logic and Garage Band have the very high quality
EXS24 library, and Pro Tools has Xpand 2 (the extremely updated version of
Hypersonic), as well as Structure.
I have every expansion for Dimension Pro. A few days ago, I realized that
part of Dimension Pro's problem is the program browser. For example, say I
want an electric piano. Well, some are in the main electric pianos category,
some are in Classic Keys, some are in Expansion Packs 1 and 2, some fairly
good ones are in Proteus 2000 expansion, MoPhat Expansion, etc. Same thing
for strings: main strings category, GPO, expansion packs 1 and 2, DSF Studio
Orchestra, E-Mu Virtuoso, and lower quality ones in Proteus 2000, the
Ensoniq library, and scattered around the other E-Mu modules. With
everything scattered around like that, it is a quest to find the voice that
you want.
So, I started making a new version of the presets. The presets are easy to
reorganize. All you do is cut/paste them around and make your own new folder
structure. I have a keyboards category, with categories inside it for
acoustic pianos, electric pianos, organs, synth keys, etc. Then, I just go
around to all of the expansion packs, and copy/paste any sounds that they
have which fit those categories in to the new folders. So, now, for example,
I have an electric pianos folder with all electric pianos that are available
in Dimension Pro and its libraries. This really didn't take as much time as
you might think.
Anyway, after working with this new set of presets for a while, I've
realized that Dimension Pro really isn't that bad. There are good
multi-velocity electric pianos available, and lots of good variations, for
example. All of the other instrument categories are like that, also. It is
really hard to know what all you have, though, when it is scattered in 10
different folders. Same thing for brass. The default Dimension Pro brass
category has 4 presets. When I built my brass category using brass presets
from expansion packs 1 and 2, the DSF Studio Orchestra, the Proteus 2000,
and the Virtuoso expansions, the set of brass presets seems much more
respectable. And some of them, particularly the ones from the DSF Studio
Orchestra, are quite good (stereo, multi-velocity, legato samples, etc).
Beyond that, there are a ton of lower quality presets from the Ensoniq
libraries. They definitely sound retro, but sometimes you want that effect.
So, under brass, for example, I made a Vintage folder, and threw all of the
Ensoniq brass presets in there. I did the same thing with the other major
instrument categories.
I wouldn't say that I'm blown away, by any means, but I generally feel a lot
better about using Dimension Pro as a general purpose synth this way. The
stock library always underwhelmed me. When organized as one large, unified
library, though, it acceptably covers most every category.
I'm thinking about sharing my presets. I think that would be alright, since
you can't use them without purchasing the libraries (and their samples). I
really think that Cakewalk should do something like this themselves, though.
Dimension Pro has its faults, but with the fragmented standard library,
where you never know exactly what you really have, it makes Dimension Pro
seem much worse than it is.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gordon Kent
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 1:00 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
What about one of the arturia bundles? I will say though that there is a
real need for a good up to date general purpose synth. Cakewalk should
drastically update the tts1 with better gm sounds and a more fully function
synth engine that would be straight forward and simple for meat and potato
work. Gords
----- Original Message -----
From: Omar Binno <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
no. Colossis is about 40 gb.
----- Original Message -----
From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:40 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
Hey does anybody remember that free synth that east west was
giving out, it was about 1gb or so download, was it that colossis?
D!J!X!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:29 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Omnisphere sounds
Bryan,
I personally wouldn't recommend either atmosphere or
omnisphere for great, natural-sounding, woodwind, string, brass, or other
natural instruments. I would label them as average at best. Just my opinion,
though. A better synth for that kind of stuff is EastWest's colossis. The
only drawback to that is that you need sighted help to copy and paste the
presets into sonar. Otherwise, it isn't accessible.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Omnisphere sounds
All of you people using Omnisphere, what is your
opinion of the sound quality in terms of bread and butter sounds? All of the
demos that I've found are full of amazingly pulsing, throbbing, morphing,
arpeggiating, swirling textures and synth tambers. That sounds great for
creating atmospherics, or for scoring television action shows. However, how
well does Omnisphere serve as a general purpose go-to instrument? For
example, I have lots of plugs if I want drums, pianos, electric pianos,
guitars, and synths. However, when the odd situation comes up, and I need a
sax, a ukulele, a harpsichord, or a sitar, I need a general purpose synth to
go to. I've used various things for that over the years, but I'm now in a
spot where the old stuff like Hypersonic isn't available anymore on Win 7,
and I'm trying not to use hardware synths anymore, so can't just track in
something from one of those.
So, how do you rate it for general purpose sounds?
Bryan
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