----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <MIDI-MAG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: [MIDI-MAG] Fw: Talking Voltmeter from Omega who doesn't want to sell to blind users! > I posted earlier that I thought the offending company was Oregon > Scientific but it seems that I was wrong. Please see the following. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Epley" <gregepley@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 2:43 PM > Subject: Re: Talking Voltmeter > > > > I'm going through that very thing with Omega right now. I received an > HHM2 > > for my birthday this year; I've had the page on their web site bookmarked > > for around 3 years, and never in all that time have they ever had anything > > posted about a visually impaired warning. As of May 2nd 2005, still no > > warning; that has appeared since that time, and not as a result of a > > purchase of a unit for me. I contacted them about a fault in an optional > > accessory part and, not knowing any such warning, mentioned I was visually > > impaired; I also briefly mentioned how many years I had been working with > > electronics and meters. I mentioned to them twice now that I've never - > > even in my sighted years - do any risky measurements with any previous > > meters - and being blind now why would I start now? If nothing else I'm > > going to be even more cautious now and let a sighted person do the > > measurements with my meter. > > > > About four days later, a large, mysterious box delivered by FedEx revealed > > two checks - one for $316 and one for $100. The enclosed letter revealed > > this "no exceptions policy" - the $100 was a "birthday gift", and of > course > > the $316 was to reimburse my relative for the purchase of the meter, which > > Omega expected me to return to them. > > > > I immediately sent them a very firm email regarding the whole situation. > > For one thing, just because one is "aware" a customer "has" a device is > not > > grounds enough to rob that person of the independence that device offers; > > whether Omega "knows" I have one doesn't change the bottom line that (a) a > > visually impaired person has the device and (b) that person can at some > > future point, due to their own stupidity, attempt to take some legal > action > > against Omega as a result of injury suffered due to such incorrect use. > (a) > > and (b) are still the case whether Omega "knows" of such users or not, and > > their attempts to "clear" sales by phone isn't going to stop a damn thing > > (but then that course was most likely suggested by a bunch of legal > advisors > > and executives whose blood flow to their brains is cut off by neckties or > > pantyhose). > > > > As an aside to this "knowledge" of such visually impaired users, just > > because I "know" something doesn't mean anything; I have free will; I > worked > > at a bank fairly high up in IT for many years prior to going blind, and as > > such became aware of names and accounts and balances that I will never > > forget. Nevertheless, just because I'm walking around out here in the > world > > with that knowledge means that I must exercise free will and not share > that > > info with anyone; the same can be said of many other practicies and > policies > > one picks up working most anywhere - just because you know some bits of > info > > doesn't mean anything unless you intentionally misuse that knowledge for > > your own gain or someone else's loss; exercise your free will to not do > the > > wrong thing and what's the harm? > > > > I currently don't know if I'm going to be allowed to keep my meter or > not. > > I'm going to fight it and have warned Omega of this, to not blow something > > out of proportion that doesn't need to be, and that I will contact media > > sources if they so choose to do so. Omega is trying to do nothing more > than > > cover their ass for being stupid enough to not post the "warning" they now > > have on their site. As my purchase was made prior to any such warning, > and > > as my product does not appear to include the warnings they say are there, > I > > can't see they have a leg to stand on. Their letter speaks of this > warning > > being on the product and in the manual. I can't speak for the manual at > > this time, but I have had both the product box and the product thoroughly > > scanned by a sighted person or two and there is no such "warning" on it, > > likely because it was on a warehouse shelf somewhere and not "new" stock. > > At any rate, Omega is over a barrel right now - I have product and two > > checks totalling $416. I have no intention but to eventually shred the > > checks, but I've outlined that to Omega on a dated timeframe. > > > > I can certainly understand Omega's caution to sell to visually impaired > > customers. However, they could achieve a much better customer situation > for > > any visually impaired customers they become "aware" of by simply getting > > their stupid legal department to draft some sort of "waiver of liability" > or > > something to that effect. Perhaps that's not workable due to some other > > legalities with the visually impaired, but I fail to see how what they're > > doing is any better or different. I've never been put into a situation > like > > this, where I was denied service because I'm this or that, and right now I > > don't know how it's going to turn out. > > > > Agreed with the warning that if anyone wants one of these products, I echo > > loudly do not tell them you are visually impaired! I plan to continue > this > > practice with anything I buy in the future, irregardless of how this turns > > out - never tell any product manufacturer you are blind, or God only knows > > what Pandora's box you will open up. > > -Greg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve" <k8sp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:04 AM > > Subject: Talking Voltmeter > > > > > > > Iomega Engineering sells a talking multimeter. Be advised, however, > that > > > you > > > *definitely *do *not want to tell them you are visually impaired if you > > > orddr > > > one. It is their belief that blind people are not competent to operate > a > > > multi-meter, and another person from a different list who had to have > his > > > unit > > > repaired, they refused to repair it after finding out he was blind. > > > Instead, > > > they sent him a full refund of his purchase price. > > > > > > Steve > > > Lansing, MI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindtech/ > > > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > blindtech-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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