[ddots-l] Re: A suggestion for one team talk session
- From: D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:15:57 -0400
Is that fair? I mean to the developer. Let's say there are 100 CT users who all
want NK. Who pays Victor for those 100 licenses for his software? DancingDots?
Should he just give them away? If he were to charge 100 dollars for NK, that
would be 10,000 dollars he'd be losing out on, and countless hours of work gone
unpaid for.
I guess you could work out a discount price (if he agrees), or let each person
buy the plug individually. For example, do you see Steve charging JSonar users
for his sets and giving it away for free to CT users because they've paid for
CT? No, you want the product, you pay the developer for it, regardless of what
access technology they are using. As someone who's worked in the software
development field, I can tell you that it's only fair to pay a developer for
the many hours that go into coding a piece of software.
IMO, that's one of the reason nothing will ever get done in this community when
it comes to accessibility and access, everybody just wants the free stuff,
nobody wants to pay; it's why those of us who can develop access to our own
stuff privately, and don't even bother trying to release it to the mainstream,
because it would be a waste of time and just added work to write docs, give
support etc. Unfortunately this kind of work takes allot of time to do, so we
are then torn between making money elsewhere to sustain ourselves and our
families, or developing stuff to help the community but go without income.
We are a small community as it is, and those in the community who are willing
to pay are even a smaller group, so that's gonna be an everlasting issue lol.
Regards, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Christian Stefanovski
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 2:57 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A suggestion for one team talk session
I'll fight that native keys gets free for ct users.
The jsonar users will have to buy nk, but the cake talking users, who already
paid so much for ct will have native keys for free.
Christian
2014-10-27 19:52 GMT+0100, D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Great points Steve. However in this case, if I understand it
> correctly, in order to use the majority of NK's supported plug-ins,
> you need to buy the pro version of NK, so I guess that's where Victor
> would get his insentive from. Not sure how much access NK will give to
> each listed plug, but I guesss that's a question left to answer.
> I do agree with you regarding the fragmentation of the community, but
> it's been this way for as long as I can remember, and seems to be getting
> worst.
>
> P.S. Congrats on getting the site back up and keeping it (didn't know
> it was up and running again), I'm sure with time you'll achieve your
> goal of making it a global repository for audio access, keep up the good work!
>
> Regards, D!J!X!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Spamer
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:09 AM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A suggestion for one team talk session
>
> Well, it must only be me that's confused here. I thought David Pinto
> and Victor, who wrote the Native Keys scripts were going to be there?
> Also thought it was going to be recorded? I applaud the intension,
> but having a result where the decision is Native Keys add on should be
> integrated into CT for free is a bit lame...where is the incentive to
> do this for Victor and CT?
>
> I think we already have enough forums (MidiMag, DD, VIP Audio Access,
> plus the new mailing list there)to focus progression, what we need is
> a clearer focus on reality from the user...what is needed and what
> will be supported, that's the difficult part, simply because of the nature of
> this field.
> Specific areas like HSC, AHK, Native keys, CT, JSonar will always
> cross over, but will they ever be as one, no. Each can have a huge
> impact and they are doing so, trouble is the NUser is getting lost.
>
> Blind iPhone and gaming communities, for the most part are pretty
> united...ours isn't, due to the broader possibilities and ways a user
> can go. If you have an Iphone, you buy from the app store and use an
> app, no other choice, so that puts everyone in the same boat. If
> you're in the audio field, you have Jaws, WE, NVDA, VO, Sonar, Reaper,
> Protools, the temptation of torrents...you could have a set up worth
> thousands or NVDA with Reaper which would cost you nada.
>
> So, where does the accessibility solutions fit into this scenarrio?
> Which solution gets supported? Who will commit to long term
> development? What access is needed? Access to presets or access to
> the same level as a sighted person? Who's going to fund it? Given the
> choice, what will the majority do? Get a free solution with free
> access? or spend more on professional solutions and
> access?...currently the majority go the free route for sure...hence where
> incentives, progression and focus falls down big time.
>
> It's one hell of a frustrating area for users, but it is equally, if
> not more for a developer, because they could put their heart and soul
> into a solution that only appeals to a fraction of this very small
> community. IMO, the community is so fragmented, that the only way to
> move forward is to try and build things up bit by bit...how, I don't
> know, that's the 64 milion dollar question. Best Steve.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James Malone
> Sent: 26 October 2014 23:36
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A suggestion for one team talk session
>
> I'm sorry I missed this.
> I just got off a gig, so if you plan on having this again, maybe we
> should look at doing this during the week.
> Best:
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christian
> Stefanovski
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:39 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A suggestion for one team talk session
>
> The team talk session results.
> The session wasn't recorded, 3 of us were there.
> Me, annabelle and jack.
> Mostly me and annabelle talked, and we agreed that native keys addon
> must be integrated in to cake talking, possibly for free, and we
> agreed that an online based organization called unified blind
> producers must be made, and the aim of this organization would be to
> raise awareness of accessibility needs of music software, including music
> production and notation.
> Christian
>
>
> 2014-10-26 21:29 GMT+0100, Annabelle Susan Morison
> <foristnights@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> Channel name is Sonar. Password is sonar.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lior goldfarb
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 1:21 PM
>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A suggestion for one team talk session
>>
>> hi all,
>> i am trying to connect to the server and teamtalk gives me an error.
>> what is the channel details like name and password?
>> thanks!
>>
>> On 10/26/14, Christian Stefanovski <rajcanjirobert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hello all.
>>> I just want to inform you, that in less than 3 hours, our team talk
>>> session will start.
>>> Come to teamtalk 5 european server at 2PM new york time, 7pm british
>>> time.
>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-10-26 12:29 GMT+0100, Jack Ronnayut <ronnajack@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> Thank you Christian.
>>>> See you guys there!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jack Ronnayut
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Christian Stefanovski
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 5:34 AM
>>>> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: A suggestion for one team talk session
>>>>
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> The team talk session about sonar will be organized at october 26,
>>>> 2PM new york time, 7PM british time.
>>>> Here is a portable version of team talk.
>>>> http://bearware.dk/test/TeamTalkClassic_v5.0.0.3445alpha3_Portable.
>>>> z ip The session will be organized at the main team talk 5 european
>>>> server, in a channel called sonar.
>>>> I'll see if it will have a password.
>>>> If it's opened, then feel free to join, if it's protected, the
>>>> password is sonar.
>>>> Note.
>>>> Disable any progress bar indicator in jaws or nvda while in the
>>>> teamtalk, because they will read everything, there are many
>>>> progress bars.
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-10-25 17:46 GMT+0200, Tommy <tommy@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> As far as i know. I dont hink so. Unless i miss something.
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