Dear all, please excuse my overwhelming two months delay, I was wanting to participate in the discussion all the time, but too busy always. So I still would like to pinpoint some of the elements of the discussion which I see as recursive and perhaps key questions that we seem to be addressing all the time in the dance-tech environment. Take it as a new discussion if you will. It is indeed true that we seem to be more concerned about certain kinds of technicalities than about content in the dance tech environement, even if it is also true that what eventually makes us an existing dance-tech community is somewhat different from let's say usual hackerculture or other domains of strict concern for the technology. There is indeed quite a generalized concern for a diverse range of fields of theory that problematise technology to a certain extent, and there is also a concern for the technology as an instrument (rather that a pure fascination for the technology for its own sake, as is so common in other domains and in the traditional posthumanist thinking). On the other hand we don't always question the assumption of technology and dance being two separate categories, which becomes problematic: there is indeed an intrinsic relationship between the technology and the language, even if one can subvert, invert or pervert the original thinking that the technology was attempting to reproduce and produce. Such is the case with all our fascinating effects and filters, which tend to be used all over the place because we are embedded in this assumption that technology is a blank tool and a liberating and democratic one... when in fact we are often reproducing a certain standardized language of effect, which is the predominant feature of digital culture. So we do need to make a more specific debate on this intrinsic relation of technology and dance (technology and music, technology and image... and how the relations between all of them are being also dislocated in different ways) and that will take us to the morphology, rather than to the content at a first instance (which relates to Marlon's idea of the designing of designing, a metarepresentational framework). And this would indeed bear with itself a whole set of political issues regarding the forms of implicit power in latecapitalism, how they are embedded in the technology, in specific forms of standardisations of the bodies, not regarding the matter (here the posthumanist materialist framework doesn't help us anymore) but regarding the language, the body as field of communicationg forces. What I see as a possible turn of paradigm in our post-postmodernist context, as Marlon likes to call it, is perhaps this potential turn to the morphologies, to the morphogenesis of language and communication, after decades of simulation in which postmodernity as parody has finished off devouring itself: when everything has in fact become a parody, simulation stops having any sense any longer. It is so difficult in a globalised context (and the dance tech community is indeed a globalised one) to generate specific focuses of approach and concern, specific "schools", because specificity grows in the here and now of the body and its context, the more dislocated this specififity is in the streams of global standardisation the more difficult it is, and conflictive, for specificity to emerge. And excuse me if i make this claim of schools... many of us including myself will have a hate for schools, because we have endured their inflexible essentialism. Can we create more open kinds of contexts, of "schools" which nevertheless produce specificity? Indeed this would take us on a debate on the very instruments we use, on the speed of transformation, on their being mostly (with significant exceptions) produced within a globalised context of the industry and the market, on the fact that the instrument is also the écriture and the language... on the need to generate a culture of the instrument that is also dealing with its écriture and its language. We are dealing with one of the great paradoxes of our time: the specifity and openness of the dancing body vs. technological determinism. And be aware of the fact that bodies are being increasingly formalised in determinist frameworks in HCI. That's why I think that we stand in such a terrific moment and crossroads because we can and tend to think this dislocated field of the body in terms of specificity and as communicating field: we occupy a potentially crucial site. I wander what we will make of it. After all dance is not a set of movements, but rather an emergent process of embodiment, transduction, indeed transubstatiation... Just a word on contingency and the paradoxes of control vs. aleatory: there are no absolutely aleatory and no absolutely determinst systems: contingency will always be in play, with all its multiple dimensions, some more predictable than others, in the understanding and embodying of an event in communication. This contingency is responsible for the everchanging shifts that account for the radical openness of communication altogether, and perhaps our great challenge is how to bring this opennes back to technology, learning from specific forms of thinking of the body, (music, dance...) and thus challenging logocentrism in ways well beyond deconstruction. Most of these issues, and of my own approaches to the challenge, I address in my forthcoming article in PADM issue "Situated Tekhne". I hope to have it available online once it has been issued. warmest regards (from Steim in Amsterdam) Jaime _______________ Jaime del Val Instituto REVERSO Aguila Real 24, 28232 Madrid, SPAIN Tel.: (+34) 687 558 436 www.reverso.org