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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:09 PM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager < ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > ------------------------------------ > cryptome Digest Wed, 28 Aug 2013 Volume: 02 Issue: 043 > > In This Issue: > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Syria > [cryptome] Verizon is a rogue provider > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Verizon is a rogue provider > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Re: Syria > [cryptome] Fw: Realtime air traffic & web attacks 90% > increa > [cryptome] Re: Fw: Realtime air traffic & web attacks 90% > in > [cryptome] Re: Fw: Realtime air traffic & web attacks 90% > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:37:33 +0100 > From: Peter Presland <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > the US State itself in fact. > > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:47:00 +0200 > From: Eugen Leitl <eugen@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. > Thanks for speaking up. > > > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > > the US State itself in fact. > > > > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. > Too bad that being a square peg in a round hole is > not limited to just domains where it is useful. > > Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in > general. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 01:51:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: professor rat <pro2rat@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > What about a daily limit? I could maybe handle three to five *Haim Baraks* > a day - yr mileage etc > > ________________________________ > From: Eugen Leitl <eugen@xxxxxxxxx> > To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 6:47 PM > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. > Thanks for speaking up. > > > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > > the US State itself in fact. > > > > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. > Too bad that being a square peg in a round hole is > not limited to just domains where it is useful. > > Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in > general. > > ------------------------------ > > From: Shelley <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:52:38 -0700 > > Hearing John Kerry blustering on in mock outrage, accusing the Syrian > gov't of "using weapons against defenseless men, women and children" > before having evidence of who was behind that particular attack-- when > this country is guilty of the same, and much worse-- made me feel just > as ill as it did when when the last administration lied us into two > wars. > > Despite Kerry's bloviations, this is in part a dick-measuring contest. > They haven't given a fuck about the horrors befalling the Syrian people > for the past 2+ years. But Obama opened his big mouth and spewed > threats about crossing a "red line" and now the USA's "credibility" (as > if we had any. How they say this shit with a straight face is beyond me) > is on the line. > > They also must knock the string of NSA scandals off the front page and > stoke the Fear Factory. Each new Snowden disclosure exposes more lies > and abuse, and shows them to be even more incompetent and corrupt than > we already suspected. > > This is a rogue administration that has the same delusion of being above > and beyond laws and international treaties and conventions as did the > last idiot (but the current idiot is emboldened by his Nobel Peace > Prize.) > > Excuse me while I go vomit up the irony. > > > ---- > > On Aug 27, 2013 10:03 PM, Kenneth Rasmusson <rasken@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > It's already a blatant war crime attacking with one singular Tomahawk. > Here's ten crucial points to contemplate. They should suffice well for > to understand that these types of acts are war crimes... > http://tinyurl.com/kkjgu3s > > Kenneth Rasmusson > Free Editor in Sweden > > > 2013-08-28, Andrew Hornback wrote: > > Okay, let's say that we drop a couple of Tomahawks (which aren't cheap, > since I'm thinking as a US taxpayer at this point) on a chemical weapons > depot in Syria... causing the instantaneous release of those chemical > weapons on the area surrounding the depot. Â While the initial attack is > a 100% bullseye (hypothetically), the attack ends up killing or > otherwise maiming 10,000 Syrian citizens. Â Is that not an act of > aggression, bordering on an act of war, on the part of the United > States? > > ------------------------------ > > From: Shelley <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:53:39 -0700 > > I'd rather not walk away from the whole list, so I just set an email > filter to deliver his messages to the trash where they belong. Still > have to read the dreck when he is quoted by others... > > > > ---- > > On Aug 28, 2013 1:51 AM, professor rat <> wrote: > > What about a daily limit? I could maybe handle three to five *Haim > Baraks* a day - yr mileage etc > > From: Eugen Leitl <> To: Sent: > Wednesday, 28 August 2013 6:47 PM Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. Thanks for speaking up. > > > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > > the US State itself in fact. > > > > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. Too bad that being a > square peg in a round hole is not limited to just domains where it is > useful. > > Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in general. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:17:37 -0500 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Redmond <darkredptc@xxxxxxxxx> > > Wow such a distaste for hiam. What are some other good lists? > On Aug 28, 2013 4:53 AM, "Shelley" <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'd rather not walk away from the whole list, so I just set an email > > filter to deliver his messages to the trash where they belong. Still > > have to read the dreck when he is quoted by others... > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > On Aug 28, 2013 1:51 AM, professor rat <> wrote: > > > > What about a daily limit? I could maybe handle three to five *Haim > > Baraks* a day - yr mileage etc > > > > From: Eugen Leitl <> To: Sent: > > Wednesday, 28 August 2013 6:47 PM Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > > > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > > > Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. Thanks for speaking up. > > > > > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > > > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > > > the US State itself in fact. > > > > > > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > > > Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. Too bad that being a > > square peg in a round hole is not limited to just domains where it is > > useful. > > > > Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in general. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:22:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: professor rat <pro2rat@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > I don't have any 'distaste' for anyone on the list. I just want to keep my > Inbox reasonably manageable. > Also am looking for good lists - would like to see a ' Marxmail latest > 100' page for anarchists. > > > ________________________________ > From: Redmond <darkredptc@xxxxxxxxx> > To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, 28 August 2013 8:17 PM > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > > Wow such a distaste for hiam. What are some other good lists? > On Aug 28, 2013 4:53 AM, "Shelley" <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'd rather not walk away from the whole list, so I just set an email > >filter to deliver his messages to the trash where they belong. Still > >have to read the dreck when he is quoted by others... > > > > > > > >---- > > > >On Aug 28, 2013 1:51 AM, professor rat <> wrote: > > > >What about a daily limit? I could maybe handle three to five *Haim > >Baraks* a day - yr mileage etc > > > >From: Eugen Leitl <> To: Sent: > >Wednesday, 28 August 2013 6:47 PM Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > >On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > >> Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > > >Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. Thanks for speaking up. > > > >> Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > >> gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > >> the US State itself in fact. > >> > >> It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > > >Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. Too bad that being a > >square peg in a round hole is not limited to just domains where it is > >useful. > > > >Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in general. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:31:01 -0700 > From: Shelley <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > Cryptome is a good list. > I wouldn't even have said anything but I didn't want to see someone like > Eugen unsubscribe because of his recent 30+ posts/day. > > Fyi: I originally set that filter a while ago, when he was embedding large > photos that crashed my mobile email client. > > > ---- > On Aug 28, 2013 3:17 AM, Redmond <darkredptc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Wow such a distaste for hiam. What are some other good lists? > On Aug 28, 2013 4:53 AM, "Shelley" <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'd rather not walk away from the whole list, so I just set an email > > filter to deliver his messages to the trash where they belong. Still > > have to read the dreck when he is quoted by others... > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > On Aug 28, 2013 1:51 AM, professor rat <> wrote: > > > > What about a daily limit? I could maybe handle three to five *Haim > > Baraks* a day - yr mileage etc > > > > From: Eugen Leitl <> To: Sent: > > Wednesday, 28 August 2013 6:47 PM Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > > > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > > > Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. Thanks for speaking up. > > > > > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > > > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > > > the US State itself in fact. > > > > > > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > > > Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. Too bad that being a > > square peg in a round hole is not limited to just domains where it is > > useful. > > > > Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in general. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 05:35:53 -0500 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Redmond <darkredptc@xxxxxxxxx> > > In that case check lists.riseup.net they have some anarchist related > lists. > I misunderstood the bit about hiam, its late I apologize. > On Aug 28, 2013 5:22 AM, "professor rat" <pro2rat@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I don't have any 'distaste' for anyone on the list. I just want to keep > my > > Inbox reasonably manageable. > > > > Also am looking for good lists - would like to see a ' Marxmail latest > > 100' page for anarchists. > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Redmond <darkredptc@xxxxxxxxx> > > *To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 August 2013 8:17 PM > > *Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > > Wow such a distaste for hiam. What are some other good lists? > > On Aug 28, 2013 4:53 AM, "Shelley" <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I'd rather not walk away from the whole list, so I just set an email > > filter to deliver his messages to the trash where they belong. Still > > have to read the dreck when he is quoted by others... > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > On Aug 28, 2013 1:51 AM, professor rat <> wrote: > > > > What about a daily limit? I could maybe handle three to five *Haim > > Baraks* a day - yr mileage etc > > > > From: Eugen Leitl <> To: Sent: > > Wednesday, 28 August 2013 6:47 PM Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > > > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > > > > Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. Thanks for speaking up. > > > > > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > > > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > > > the US State itself in fact. > > > > > > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > > > > Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. Too bad that being a > > square peg in a round hole is not limited to just domains where it is > > useful. > > > > Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in general. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:30:32 +0100 > From: bz <beacyk@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Syria > > Version: 1 > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:37:35 +0300 > From: In Harms Way <11414150173@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Verizon is a rogue provider > > Cooperating with GCHQ > < > http://electrospaces.blogspot.com/2013/08/nsa-has-also-arrangements-with-foreign.html > > > is also Verizon Business (codenamed DACRON). GCHQ has clandestine > agreements with Verizon, described in one document as "intercept > partner", in order to give the agency access to their network of > undersea cables. > > But it seems not to be just the access which is provided. We have > received reliable information that Verizon is now also targeting human > rights and peace as well as environmental activist groups by > intercepting their mails of certain lists sent to subscribers who are > e-mail account holders @verizon.net and tags the senders as spammers. > Such intercepts and false tagging has been termed illegal by a ruling by > the Highest Court of the European Council, but as US-American company > Verizon appears to give a damn and even blocks then the complaints > communications with Verizon by bluntly stating: ".... that e-mail from > your IP address will not be allowed access to the Verizon Online e-mail > domain due to one or more of the following reasons: Your IP has been > blocked because of spam issues or because your ISP indicates that it is > dynamically assigned." > > Subscribed account holders @verizon.net could only be informed and > warned about this abuse applied by Verizon by using a disguised sender, > different static IP and going through a different route, but then that > e-mail might again be intercepted, since the content is sent unencrypted. > > Does anyone on the cryptome-list have further insights on Verizon? > Suggestions are required and kindly requested on how activist groups > shall handle such intercepts and blocks by VERIZON. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:10:29 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > > Well, I understood but no one has brought a solution Sometimes the truth > hurts to criticize it's easy to find solution for this conflict it is very > hard,,,, > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:35 AM, Redmond <darkredptc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > In that case check lists.riseup.net they have some anarchist related > > lists. I misunderstood the bit about hiam, its late I apologize. > > On Aug 28, 2013 5:22 AM, "professor rat" <pro2rat@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> I don't have any 'distaste' for anyone on the list. I just want to keep > >> my Inbox reasonably manageable. > >> > >> Also am looking for good lists - would like to see a ' Marxmail latest > >> 100' page for anarchists. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From:* Redmond <darkredptc@xxxxxxxxx> > >> *To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 August 2013 8:17 PM > >> *Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Syria > >> > >> Wow such a distaste for hiam. What are some other good lists? > >> On Aug 28, 2013 4:53 AM, "Shelley" <shelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> I'd rather not walk away from the whole list, so I just set an email > >> filter to deliver his messages to the trash where they belong. Still > >> have to read the dreck when he is quoted by others... > >> > >> > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> On Aug 28, 2013 1:51 AM, professor rat <> wrote: > >> > >> What about a daily limit? I could maybe handle three to five *Haim > >> Baraks* a day - yr mileage etc > >> > >> From: Eugen Leitl <> To: Sent: > >> Wednesday, 28 August 2013 6:47 PM Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:33AM +0100, Peter Presland wrote: > >> > Its pretty clear why this list is being deserted in droves. > >> > >> Indeed; I was about to drop my subscription. Thanks for speaking up. > >> > >> > Content monopolised by a Zionist shill, leading the crudulous and > >> > gullible by their noses - a microcosm of Mossad/Zionist domination of > >> > the US State itself in fact. > >> > > >> > It would be hilarious if it weren't so damned tragic. > >> > >> Cypherpunks commit suicide by rejecting moderation. Too bad that being a > >> square peg in a round hole is not limited to just domains where it is > >> useful. > >> > >> Same thing with cryonicists, and transhumanists in general. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > > Haim Barak > To Serve and Protect Our Community > In God We Trust > Israel#: 5353... > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: haim.357 > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:44:50 -0400 > From: John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > NYT has a grotesque op-ed today arguing for violation > of law to slaughter Syrians written by a political science > professor, who else confects appropriately biblical > armageddon scripture to god-bless evil deeds on > behalf of perdurable "victims" who must be illegally > killed to save the political career of the legal killers. > > The NYT website is down at the moment. We'll > scan the hardcopy and put on Cryptome. > > The Op-Ed is a perfect example of defense grant > educational prostitution employing obligatory potty > language most likely to instigate rape of victims rather > then give a shit about them. > > Haim and anyone open to calm deliberation, pray you > read this machinic-viral manure for its lesson of what not > to spread here nor anywhere or be branded a complete > media sucker. > > To repeat my mea culpa, been there done that as an Army > recruit. Then learned the hard way how dedicated the Army > is to turning patriots into featherbedding cuckoos braying > about the need for war insanity over any sane alternative. > Not a single training coure taught peace except as a > deception to break morale and warfighting spirit "the > commies are everywhere, bars, hotels, universities, > lovers, families at home most vulnerable." > > The military shuts down independent thought to produce > monomaniacal killers in obedience to higher commanders > who place their allegiance to higher commanders above > civilian accountability, will in fact slaughter civilians who > have the misfortune to be imperceptible to cold-blooded > machinic targeting algorithms. Collateral damage is now > ubiquitious not exceptional, the laws of war are well > behind technology, deliberately so, according the > professor of political science angling for a distinguished > featherbed in highest education, I mean for eternity. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:01:18 -0400 > From: John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Verizon is a rogue provider > > We have received a number of complaints about Verizon > IP addresses intruding on SM accounts and other fora. > Might be spoofs or bare-assed intimidation operations > now that Verizon and others have been outed. > It could be helpful to counterspy by logging intrusions > and intercepts, compiling and publishing them to help > educate the public on the viral spying disease spread. > > If lacking your own platform Crytome will publish compilations > with or without attribution. If sent to Cryptome be sure to > cloak carefully, even if that is as silly as internet empowerment > against authority. > > > > At 08:37 AM 8/28/2013, you wrote: > > >< > http://electrospaces.blogspot.com/2013/08/nsa-has-also-arrangements-with-foreign.html > >Cooperating > >with GCHQ is also Verizon Business (codenamed DACRON). GCHQ has > >clandestine agreements with Verizon, described in one document as > >"intercept partner", in order to give the agency access to their > >network of undersea cables. > > > >But it seems not to be just the access which is provided. We have > >received reliable information that Verizon is now also targeting > >human rights and peace as well as environmental activist groups by > >intercepting their mails of certain lists sent to subscribers who > >are e-mail account holders @verizon.net and tags the senders as spammers. > >Such intercepts and false tagging has been termed illegal by a > >ruling by the Highest Court of the European Council, but as > >US-American company Verizon appears to give a damn and even blocks > >then the complaints communications with Verizon by bluntly stating: > >".... that e-mail from your IP address will not be allowed access to > >the Verizon Online e-mail domain due to one or more of the following > >reasons: Your IP has been blocked because of spam issues or because > >your ISP indicates that it is dynamically assigned." > > > >Subscribed account holders @verizon.net could only be informed and > >warned about this abuse applied by Verizon by using a disguised > >sender, different static IP and going through a different route, but > >then that e-mail might again be intercepted, since the content is > >sent unencrypted. > > > >Does anyone on the cryptome-list have further insights on Verizon? > >Suggestions are required and kindly requested on how activist groups > >shall handle such intercepts and blocks by VERIZON. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:05:31 -0400 > From: John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > NYTimes alternate web site has the grotesque Op-Ed: > > > http://news.nytco.com/2013/08/28/opinion/bomb-syria-even-if-it-is-illegal.html?from=opinion > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:21:55 -0400 > From: John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > Eugen rightly notes cypherpunks maillist suicide from lack of > moderation. Much debate about that back then. Led to several > offshoots to provide laundered postings. Most of those eventually > died from moderator burn-out. A couple were re-born becoming > adult-like juveniles behaving far too soberly to merit vote rigging > rights, and lately the old-drunk cypherpunks itself is struggling to > break free of its bodysnatched membrane. > > Its run by a gaggle of "paid informants (r)", like our exemplary > CJ here under unlaundered cover, in emulation of the originals > who have retired on their government pensions for dual-use > technology generously rewarded under dual-purpose hoodwinking. > Or in jail which is superior acommodation to coastal think tanks. > > One benefit of being a "fucking moderator" or best, "Mange," > (thanks CJ) is moving up the greasy pole to better dole. But > a moderator has to allow shit to happen or there's no bitching > thus no appeal thus no subbing and unsubbing and thence > doomed to massively buying sock puppet followers on Twitter. > > Eugen will vanish up his own asshole if lists dwindle, and we > will become less informed by his sagacious spam, forced > immigration to to plain old fishwrap burgeoned ads for > erectile disfunction and crotch shot dancers. > > One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 11:23:02 -0500 > From: Gary Wallin <garylwallin@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > On 8/28/2013 10:05 AM, John Young wrote: > > NYTimes alternate web site has the grotesque Op-Ed: > > > > > http://news.nytco.com/2013/08/28/opinion/bomb-syria-even-if-it-is-illegal.html?from=opinion > > > > > > > > > > . > > > I guess today is another day in the long line of "_/*I Have a > Nightmare*/_" alternate Martin Luther King realities. Fifty years and > this is the best our dreams can produce. > Everyone is too busy hacking, spamming, and spinning. Even the "SEA", or > is it just another NSA false flag operation. > > -- > http://boingboing.net/2013/08/27/syrian-electronic-army-boa.html#more-252598 > > > > All my email is subject to viewing by the Panopticon :: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon :: > Except in the imaginations of the netizens there is no real secrecy or > privacy on the Internets. The powers that be have been elevated to lofty > positions of near omnipresence. Enjoy, adapt, and survive. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:42:52 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Andrew Hornback <achornback@xxxxxxxxx> > > Pardon me, but this is a little long, my response to the Op-Ed: > "... to deter further massacres" - that's code for let's crank up the > violence machine. > > What does it honestly matter if someone is killed by the Swine Flu, a .45 > round, a chemical agent, a nuclear blast or a laser-guided 500 pounder? > End result is that they're still dead. This kind of attack is sending the > wrong message in that it's perfectly fine with us (i.e. the US) if you want > to execute your citizens, but once you get into the "bad" weapons, you need > your hands smacked by way of an escalation of violence and additional > killing. > > "... moral reasons for disregarding the law" - Does that mean that we can > disregard the sovereignty of other nations? On the flip side, does that > mean that they can disregard the sovereignty of our nation? How would we > feel about another country (or external NGO) commiting an attack on US soil > because they have a difference of opinion about things like abortion or the > death penalty? That's quite the can of worms you've got there. > > I think it's quite obvious that Kerry (and his State Department) is a rube > here - the only reason he became Secretary of State was because Obama > needed someone who could find the Middle East on a Mercator projection map > while Hillary went off, got some rest, worked on her tan and prepped for > 2016. > > Discussion as to what rules and international treaties Syria is bound is > garbage. What realistically can we use them for in this situation? > Capture Assad, bring him before the Hague and let them issue 5 slaps with > a wet noodle? Or maybe simply look upon Syria with disdain for a period of > 20 years? Let's get real here. This legal basis blathering is simply a > way for those opposed to any form of action to get their warm and fuzzy > about going in because of a "legal mandate" and after all, doesn't the > United States stand for "Truth, Justice and the American Way" ? > Propaganda, pure and simple. > > I love how Mr. Hurd brings in the idea of how Syria isn't party to the CWC > of 1993 but then turns around and uses that a a barbed stick to poke at > both the US and Russia. What good does that really serve? More smoke and > mirrors. And follows that by bringing in the Geneva Convention in order to > blacken the eye of the UN Security Council. > > “from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or > political independence of any state.” - So, states have to sit idly by and > let things happen as long as the actions of another state don't interfere > in their own sovereignty, a form of forced non-interference. That makes > pretty good sense - let countries take care of themselves, don't interfere > and prepare to defend yourself. > > The eerie thing gets into "responsibility to protect" - who's responsible > to protect whom? At the rate things are going in the US, are the American > people going to ask other countries to protect us from our own government? > Wouldn't that be wild. > > Then we get into the discussion about NATO in Kosovo and how the action was > illegal but legitimate. I'm not a lawyer here, no fin on this back, but > just what can the UN Security Council do to NATO? Levy fines (who funds > the UN and NATO again?) ? Stern looks? Again, it's smoke and mirrors. > > As the final move, Mr. Hurd seems to think that the allies (essentially > NATO) should declare that international law has evolved and that the > Security Council doesn't matter any longer. Take a minute to let that sink > in, especially "the Security Council doesn't matter any longer". At that > point, honestly, they've destroyed the credibility of the United Nations. > What's the next step, disband the UN? I'm sure that would make some folks > very happy (anarchists, for example), but that brings a whole new exponent > to the amount of chaos going on in the world, in my opinion. > > And this writer teaches political science? Am I ever glad that I stuck > with engineering and computer science. > > --- A > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > NYTimes alternate web site has the grotesque Op-Ed: > > > > http://news.nytco.com/2013/08/**28/opinion/bomb-syria-even-if-** > > it-is-illegal.html?from=**opinion< > http://news.nytco.com/2013/08/28/opinion/bomb-syria-even-if-it-is-illegal.html?from=opinion > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:55:43 -0700 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: coderman <coderman@xxxxxxxxx> > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > ... > > One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > > dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > > > everyone who is seemingly stymied by mail filters, deferring their > input evaluation to third party "moderators", is a lazy lout or > negligent nincompoop! > > your personal responsibility upon joining any list is to evaluate the > origin and content of received communications and apply filters or > mute accordingly. > > do not shirk this responsibility to others, lest the blinders and echo > chamber cripple mind... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:10:31 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > > Thank you ,No words to thank the interpretation,,,,, > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM, coderman <coderman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > ... > > > One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > > > dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > > > > > > everyone who is seemingly stymied by mail filters, deferring their > > input evaluation to third party "moderators", is a lazy lout or > > negligent nincompoop! > > > > your personal responsibility upon joining any list is to evaluate the > > origin and content of received communications and apply filters or > > mute accordingly. > > > > do not shirk this responsibility to others, lest the blinders and echo > > chamber cripple mind... > > > > > > > -- > > Haim Barak > To Serve and Protect Our Community > In God We Trust > Israel#: 5353... > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: haim.357 > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:37:57 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > > a military attack Assad's regime for its use of chemical weapons against > its citizens. > Administration official confirmed that the U.S. is at the point of no > return, as he put it, with regard to the attack itself, he said the timing > has not yet been determined. > The evening ended with emergency session of the Security Council of the UN > on whether to accept the British proposal and approve military action > against Syria. Before the debate ended unofficial representatives left > Russia and China the place to protest the intent to attack Assad's regime. > > Tonight reported further that Turkey has raised the security alert > level. Network > to the Arab - reported today that the Syrian government cleared a key > government institutions and security were considered potential targets for > attack. Among other things, turns the base of the fourth division of the > Syrian army, at Jabel Ksion Damascus. > > Defense believe that Israel will remain out of the picture. Netanyahu asked > ministers not "chatter" in the media. Limited statements from the chief of > staff and defense minister were coordinated with the prime minister. Comes > to warning messages Syrian rocket attacks on Israel. > Condition imposed on Israel: Although we are not in the picture, but > because the world decided to punish the Syrians, we are supposed to be on > the line for them. > I would like to see the U.S. reaction, the English and the French, if the > Syrians were threatening them with missiles on their heads if they Iitkifo > them, and we suffer because of it. > > I wonder what was public opinion in the U.S., England and France, if that > were the face of things. > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Thank you ,No words to thank the interpretation,,,,, > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM, coderman <coderman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > ... > >> > One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > >> > dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > >> > >> > >> everyone who is seemingly stymied by mail filters, deferring their > >> input evaluation to third party "moderators", is a lazy lout or > >> negligent nincompoop! > >> > >> your personal responsibility upon joining any list is to evaluate the > >> origin and content of received communications and apply filters or > >> mute accordingly. > >> > >> do not shirk this responsibility to others, lest the blinders and echo > >> chamber cripple mind... > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > Haim Barak > > To Serve and Protect Our Community > > In God We Trust > > Israel#: 5353... > > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > > Skype: haim.357 > > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- > > Haim Barak > To Serve and Protect Our Community > In God We Trust > Israel#: 5353... > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: haim.357 > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:43:49 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > > https://twitter.com/ZonedSecurity/status/372772194645856256 > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Obama administration official confirmed that a final decision is to go > > to a military attack Assad's regime for its use of chemical weapons > against > > its citizens. > > Administration official confirmed that the U.S. is at the point of no > > return, as he put it, with regard to the attack itself, he said the > timing > > has not yet been determined. > > > > The evening ended with emergency session of the Security Council of the > UN > > on whether to accept the British proposal and approve military action > > against Syria. Before the debate ended unofficial representatives left > > Russia and China the place to protest the intent to attack Assad's > regime. > > > > Tonight reported further that Turkey has raised the security alert > level. Network > > to the Arab - reported today that the Syrian government cleared a key > > government institutions and security were considered potential targets > for > > attack. Among other things, turns the base of the fourth division of the > > Syrian army, at Jabel Ksion Damascus. > > > > Defense believe that Israel will remain out of the picture. Netanyahu > > asked ministers not "chatter" in the media. Limited statements from the > > chief of staff and defense minister were coordinated with the prime > > minister. Comes to warning messages Syrian rocket attacks on Israel. > > Condition imposed on Israel: Although we are not in the picture, but > > because the world decided to punish the Syrians, we are supposed to be on > > the line for them. > > I would like to see the U.S. reaction, the English and the French, if the > > Syrians were threatening them with missiles on their heads if they > Iitkifo > > them, and we suffer because of it. > > > > I wonder what was public opinion in the U.S., England and France, if that > > were the face of things. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> Thank you ,No words to thank the interpretation,,,,, > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM, coderman <coderman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > ... > >>> > One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > >>> > dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > >>> > >>> > >>> everyone who is seemingly stymied by mail filters, deferring their > >>> input evaluation to third party "moderators", is a lazy lout or > >>> negligent nincompoop! > >>> > >>> your personal responsibility upon joining any list is to evaluate the > >>> origin and content of received communications and apply filters or > >>> mute accordingly. > >>> > >>> do not shirk this responsibility to others, lest the blinders and echo > >>> chamber cripple mind... > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Haim Barak > >> To Serve and Protect Our Community > >> In God We Trust > >> Israel#: 5353... > >> Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > >> Skype: haim.357 > >> http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > >> > >> > >> <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > >> > >> This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > >> information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > >> disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > >> otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > >> unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > >> Thank you. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Haim Barak > > To Serve and Protect Our Community > > In God We Trust > > Israel#: 5353... > > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > > Skype: haim.357 > > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- > > Haim Barak > To Serve and Protect Our Community > In God We Trust > Israel#: 5353... > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: haim.357 > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:45:21 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > From: Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Melbourne-IT-Blog-Hacked-and-Defaced-by-Syrian-Electronic-Army-378830.shtml > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > https://twitter.com/ZonedSecurity/status/372772194645856256 > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> Obama administration official confirmed that a final decision is to go > >> to a military attack Assad's regime for its use of chemical weapons > against > >> its citizens. > >> Administration official confirmed that the U.S. is at the point of no > >> return, as he put it, with regard to the attack itself, he said the > timing > >> has not yet been determined. > >> > >> The evening ended with emergency session of the Security Council of the > >> UN on whether to accept the British proposal and approve military action > >> against Syria. Before the debate ended unofficial representatives left > >> Russia and China the place to protest the intent to attack Assad's > regime. > >> > >> Tonight reported further that Turkey has raised the security alert > level. Network > >> to the Arab - reported today that the Syrian government cleared a key > >> government institutions and security were considered potential targets > for > >> attack. Among other things, turns the base of the fourth division of the > >> Syrian army, at Jabel Ksion Damascus. > >> > >> Defense believe that Israel will remain out of the picture. Netanyahu > >> asked ministers not "chatter" in the media. Limited statements from the > >> chief of staff and defense minister were coordinated with the prime > >> minister. Comes to warning messages Syrian rocket attacks on Israel. > >> Condition imposed on Israel: Although we are not in the picture, but > >> because the world decided to punish the Syrians, we are supposed to be > on > >> the line for them. > >> I would like to see the U.S. reaction, the English and the French, if > the > >> Syrians were threatening them with missiles on their heads if they > Iitkifo > >> them, and we suffer because of it. > >> > >> I wonder what was public opinion in the U.S., England and France, if > that > >> were the face of things. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >>> Thank you ,No words to thank the interpretation,,,,, > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM, coderman <coderman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>> > ... > >>>> > One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > >>>> > dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> everyone who is seemingly stymied by mail filters, deferring their > >>>> input evaluation to third party "moderators", is a lazy lout or > >>>> negligent nincompoop! > >>>> > >>>> your personal responsibility upon joining any list is to evaluate the > >>>> origin and content of received communications and apply filters or > >>>> mute accordingly. > >>>> > >>>> do not shirk this responsibility to others, lest the blinders and echo > >>>> chamber cripple mind... > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Haim Barak > >>> To Serve and Protect Our Community > >>> In God We Trust > >>> Israel#: 5353... > >>> Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > >>> Skype: haim.357 > >>> http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > >>> > >>> This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > >>> information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > >>> disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > >>> otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > >>> unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Haim Barak > >> To Serve and Protect Our Community > >> In God We Trust > >> Israel#: 5353... > >> Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > >> Skype: haim.357 > >> http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > >> > >> > >> <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > >> > >> This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > >> information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > >> disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > >> otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > >> unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > >> Thank you. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Haim Barak > > To Serve and Protect Our Community > > In God We Trust > > Israel#: 5353... > > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > > Skype: haim.357 > > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- > > Haim Barak > To Serve and Protect Our Community > In God We Trust > Israel#: 5353... > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: haim.357 > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > Thank you. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 13:57:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brian Hecht <brian.hecht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Fw: Realtime air traffic & web attacks 90% increase > > > U.S. Web Attacks Skyrocket Ahead of Mid East Action: 89.8% Above Normal > *Real Time Heat Map* > According > to Akamai, which monitors global internet conditions, the United States > is experiencing a surge in web attacks today, clocking in at 90% above > normal. > > > http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/dataviz1.html > > Real Time Air Traffic .. zoom in on Cyprus and Syria > > http://planefinder.net/ > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Brian Hecht <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: Syria -artcile on The Voice of Russia > > > > > > The United States of America and their leader Barrack Hussein Obama have > spent billions of dollars in Syria, at a time when US taxpayers are > suffering, attempting to bring about a change of regime. The money has > been spent funding Al-Qaeda and Islamic terrorists to destabilize the > country, groups that they have parroted time and time again as being the > number one enemies of the American people. > > Their strategy was > failing, like all of their strategies are bound to fail because they > lack vision and true understanding of the world and its people. They > created a red line, most likely launched a black operation to make that > red line a reality and now with extreme desperate irrational urgency, > they want to carry out their plan to attack Syria. That is their goal, > they set it, and no matter what happens they will obtusely carry it out > without regard for the consequences and without forward planning. > > I > would put forward that the goal of the United States is not to remove > President Bashar Al-Assad, just as it is not to protect the Syrian > people. As for Al-Assad he offered to step down multiple times in the > past and if the true goal was simply removing him, they could have > assassinated him years ago. Unless the CIA has grown completely > incompetent that is. > > As for the Syrian people, it is clear that all > of the bloodshed and loss of life in the country has been caused because > of, and almost exclusively by, the terrorist elements that the United > States has been training, funding, arming and importing. > So if they > do not want to remove Assad what do they want? Now this is part of the > secret geopolitical agenda they seek for the Middle East. I would put > forward that the real goal is to destabilize and destroy the country and > the people and throw Syria into anarchy. This will create yet another > weak and broken country from which they can steal resources and which > they can manipulate as they wish. Look at the record: Afghanistan, Iraq, > Libya and all of the other countries in the Middle East that they have > destabilized and destroyed through other means. > > Ala Zbigniew > Brzeznski and his plans to destabilize Russia into sixty-some-odd > autonomous republics, the plans for the Middle East are almost > identical, and the people of all of these countries just get in the way. > Why else attack countries that pose no threat? Iraq never threatened > America, nor did Afghanistan or Libya. Neither has Syria. > > These > states did possess independent foreign policies and that has been their > only crime. Other than of course, in the case of Iraq and Libya, the > fact that hours before the attacks on their countries, the leaders > changed the trade in oil from the dollar to the euro. Something that > would completely destroy the United States if all of the countries of > the world followed suit. Hence they need to destabilize the economy of > Europe and all of the instruments that have been implemented to carry > that out. The US cannot allow the euro to grow as an alternative > currency, because the US economy will be destroyed. The United States > has technically long been economically bankrupt. As for moral, well that > is also obvious. > > It is interesting to note, from a militarily > strategic viewpoint, that by intentionally telegraphing that they are > planning to attack, and even setting the date, they are guaranteeing > that President Al-Assad will be protected and they are contributing to > the massive civilian losses that will occur. > > There will be no chance > of a “surgical strike” because all of the important targets will already > be moved or protected. So in order to achieve whatever military > objectives there are this will require even more fire power and more > missiles, something which of course will be very profitable and > beneficial for Raytheon and all of the other US war contractors. > Telegraphing will also allow for Syria to set up defenses, if it has not > already, to knock all of the US’s million dollar missiles out of the > sky. Something it has every right to do. > > The plan to strike Syria > is not only one of cowardice and an admission of utter and complete > failure by the United States on the diplomatic front but it is also > illegal without a United Nations resolution and an imminent threat to > America itself. It is obviously cowardly because launching missiles > while fearfully hiding behind a shield where there is no threat to > yourself is not something that an honorable soldier on a battlefield > would do. It is the tactic of a coward. > This tactic however is > necessary for Obama because when the massive loss of American lives > begins, the American people will rise up and no longer support all of > the callous unthinking military adventures. Hence what some view as the > illogical funding of Al-Qaeda and terrorists to carry out the dirty > work. > > What will happen when these terrorist elements begin to > realize that they have been merely disposable pawns for the US and that > they have been killing their own brothers and mothers and sisters? Of > course the US has not thought of that. The backlash when Al-Qaeda and > all of the motley groups of terrorists realize they have been killing > their brethren for the enemy will be monumental and Americans will > finally see what real terrorism is all about, I believe that is a given. > But that is okay for Washington too, they have all of the plans in > place and this will allow the military industrial complex to expand and > invade even more countries. What are a few American lives? > > What > about Israel? As I have said in the past, in reality the United States > does not care about Israel. The maelstrom that will occur if the US > strikes Syria will be monumental and right in the middle of it will be > the Jewish state. Washington, thousands of miles away, behind a missile > shield, with all of its leaders protected and hiding in bunkers, will be > safe. Of course the US has convinced Israel that they are safe, but I > beg to differ. > > Let this be a warning then to reactionary proponents of an > attack on Syria: the results will be monumental and may lead to the > self-destruction of America both economically and politically. Why? For > one it will further bankrupt an already decimated economy. Two, it will > also polarize enemies and cause countries around the world to strike > back, meaning the world community may in fact realize that it is time to > reign in and end the continual invasions and aggressive wars being > waged by the US > This will be particularly true when it is revealed that the chemical attack > in Syria was a black operation to give Obama his pretext to carry out > another Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning-act-of-aggression. If the world wakes > up that is. > > This last point will no doubt fall on deaf ears, or in this case “on blind > eyes”, but in reality the US is missing a very important opportunity in > Syria, and that is a chance to rebuild its reputation and become a > respected intelligent and grown up member and leader of the world > community by simply promoting a peaceful resolution. The world is truly > tired of US bombs and bellicose rhetoric and the actions of an arrogant > one-world-power wantonly bashing and bullying its way across the globe. > > My thoughts are with the Syrian people and my hope is that someone, > somewhere, with the power to stop this madness will listen. How about it > President of the United States of America Barrack Hussein Obama? Maybe > it is time to use diplomacy and work for peace and to finally put the > weapons down? You have a Nobel Peace Prize after all. Or does that mean > nothing? > > Read more: > http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_28/Attack-on-Syria-may-cause-massive-damage-to-the-US-1204/ > > > > > > btw .. breaking news Confirmed: #Russia and #China have officially > withdrawn from security council meeting on #Syria > > Egypt will not allow US & UK warships through Suez canal to attack Syria > (Egpytian News) > > According > to Egyptian TV, Pinochet Sisi - the House of Saud protege - is NOT > allowing US and UK warships to pass through the Suez Canal; they will, > obviously, attack Syria. Cairo is AGAINST Obama's Tomahawk war. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:45 PM > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Melbourne-IT-Blog-Hacked-and-Defaced-by-Syrian-Electronic-Army-378830.shtml > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > https://twitter.com/ZonedSecurity/status/372772194645856256 > > > > > > > >On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Obama administration official confirmed that a final decision is to go > to a military attack Assad's regime for its use of chemical weapons against > its citizens. > >>Administration official confirmed that the U.S. is at the point of no > return, as he put it, with regard to the attack itself, he said the timing > has not yet been determined. > >> > >>The evening ended with emergency session of the Security Council of the > UN on whether to accept the British proposal and approve military action > against Syria. Before the debate ended unofficial representatives left > Russia and China the place to protest the intent to attack Assad's regime. > >> > >>Tonight reported further that Turkey has raised the security alert > level. Network to the Arab - reported today that the Syrian government > cleared a key government institutions and security were considered > potential targets for attack. Among other things, turns the base of the > fourth division of the Syrian army, at Jabel Ksion Damascus. > >> > >>Defense believe that Israel will remain out of the picture. Netanyahu > asked ministers not "chatter" in the media. Limited statements from the > chief of staff and defense minister were coordinated with the prime > minister. Comes to warning messages Syrian rocket attacks on Israel. > >>Condition imposed on Israel: Although we are not in the picture, but > because the world decided to punish the Syrians, we are supposed to be on > the line for them. > >>I would like to see the U.S. reaction, the English and the French, if > the Syrians were threatening them with missiles on their heads if they > Iitkifo them, and we suffer because of it. > >> > >>I wonder what was public opinion in the U.S., England and France, if > that were the face of things. > >> > >> > >> > >>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >>Thank you ,No words to thank the interpretation,,,,, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM, coderman <coderman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>>On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>>> ... > >>>> > >>>>> One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > >>>>> dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>everyone who is seemingly stymied by mail filters, deferring their > >>>>input evaluation to third party "moderators", is a lazy lout or > >>>>negligent nincompoop! > >>>> > >>>>your personal responsibility upon joining any list is to evaluate the > >>>>origin and content of received communications and apply filters or > >>>>mute accordingly. > >>>> > >>>>do not shirk this responsibility to others, lest the blinders and echo > >>>>chamber cripple mind... > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>> > >>> > >>>Haim Barak > >>>To Serve and Protect Our Community > >>>In God We Trust > >>>Israel#: 5353... > >>>Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > >>>Skype: haim.357 > >>>http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > >>> > >>>This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > >>>information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > >>>disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > >>>otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > >>>unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > >>>Thank you. > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >> > >>Haim Barak > >>To Serve and Protect Our Community > >>In God We Trust > >>Israel#: 5353... > >>Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > >>Skype: haim.357 > >>http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > >> > >>This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > >>information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > >>disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > >>otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > >>unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > >>Thank you. > > > > > >-- > > > > > >Haim Barak > >To Serve and Protect Our Community > >In God We Trust > >Israel#: 5353... > >Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > >Skype: haim.357 > >http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > >This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > >information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > >disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > >otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > >unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > >Thank you. > > > -- > > > Haim Barak > To Serve and Protect Our Community > In God We Trust > Israel#: 5353... > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: haim.357 > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > Thank you. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:02:51 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Fw: Realtime air traffic & web attacks 90% increase > From: Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > > Thanks Brian,,,, > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Brian Hecht <brian.hecht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >wrote: > > > > > *U.S. Web Attacks Skyrocket Ahead of Mid East Action: 89.8% Above Normal > > *Real Time Heat Map** > > According to Akamai, which monitors global internet conditions, the > United > > States is experiencing a surge in web attacks today, clocking in at 90% > > above normal. > > > > http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/dataviz1.html > > > > Real Time Air Traffic .. zoom in on Cyprus and Syria > > > > http://planefinder.net/ > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > *From:* Brian Hecht <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > *To:* "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:05 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [cryptome] Re: Syria -artcile on The Voice of Russia > > > > > > > > The United States of America and their leader Barrack Hussein Obama have > > spent billions of dollars in Syria, at a time when US taxpayers are > > suffering, attempting to bring about a change of regime. The money has > been > > spent funding Al-Qaeda and Islamic terrorists to destabilize the country, > > groups that they have parroted time and time again as being the number > one > > enemies of the American people. > > > > Their strategy was failing, like all of their strategies are bound to > fail > > because they lack vision and true understanding of the world and its > > people. They created a red line, most likely launched a black operation > to > > make that red line a reality and now with extreme desperate irrational > > urgency, they want to carry out their plan to attack Syria. That is their > > goal, they set it, and no matter what happens they will obtusely carry it > > out without regard for the consequences and without forward planning. > > > > I would put forward that the goal of the United States is not to remove > > President Bashar Al-Assad, just as it is not to protect the Syrian > people. > > As for Al-Assad he offered to step down multiple times in the past and if > > the true goal was simply removing him, they could have assassinated him > > years ago. Unless the CIA has grown completely incompetent that is. > > > > As for the Syrian people, it is clear that all of the bloodshed and loss > > of life in the country has been caused because of, and almost exclusively > > by, the terrorist elements that the United States has been training, > > funding, arming and importing. > > So if they do not want to remove Assad what do they want? Now this is > part > > of the secret geopolitical agenda they seek for the Middle East. I would > > put forward that the real goal is to destabilize and destroy the country > > and the people and throw Syria into anarchy. This will create yet another > > weak and broken country from which they can steal resources and which > they > > can manipulate as they wish. Look at the record: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya > > and all of the other countries in the Middle East that they have > > destabilized and destroyed through other means. > > > > Ala Zbigniew Brzeznski and his plans to destabilize Russia into > > sixty-some-odd autonomous republics, the plans for the Middle East are > > almost identical, and the people of all of these countries just get in > the > > way. Why else attack countries that pose no threat? Iraq never threatened > > America, nor did Afghanistan or Libya. Neither has Syria. > > > > These states did possess independent foreign policies and that has been > > their only crime. Other than of course, in the case of Iraq and Libya, > the > > fact that hours before the attacks on their countries, the leaders > changed > > the trade in oil from the dollar to the euro. Something that would > > completely destroy the United States if all of the countries of the world > > followed suit. Hence they need to destabilize the economy of Europe and > all > > of the instruments that have been implemented to carry that out. The US > > cannot allow the euro to grow as an alternative currency, because the US > > economy will be destroyed. The United States has technically long been > > economically bankrupt. As for moral, well that is also obvious. > > > > It is interesting to note, from a militarily strategic viewpoint, that by > > intentionally telegraphing that they are planning to attack, and even > > setting the date, they are guaranteeing that President Al-Assad will be > > protected and they are contributing to the massive civilian losses that > > will occur. > > > > There will be no chance of a “surgical strike” because all of the > > important targets will already be moved or protected. So in order to > > achieve whatever military objectives there are this will require even > more > > fire power and more missiles, something which of course will be very > > profitable and beneficial for Raytheon and all of the other US war > > contractors. Telegraphing will also allow for Syria to set up defenses, > if > > it has not already, to knock all of the US’s million dollar missiles out > of > > the sky. Something it has every right to do. > > > > The plan to strike Syria is not only one of cowardice and an admission of > > utter and complete failure by the United States on the diplomatic front > but > > it is also illegal without a United Nations resolution and an imminent > > threat to America itself. It is obviously cowardly because launching > > missiles while fearfully hiding behind a shield where there is no threat > to > > yourself is not something that an honorable soldier on a battlefield > would > > do. It is the tactic of a coward. > > This tactic however is necessary for Obama because when the massive loss > > of American lives begins, the American people will rise up and no longer > > support all of the callous unthinking military adventures. Hence what > some > > view as the illogical funding of Al-Qaeda and terrorists to carry out the > > dirty work. > > > > What will happen when these terrorist elements begin to realize that they > > have been merely disposable pawns for the US and that they have been > > killing their own brothers and mothers and sisters? Of course the US has > > not thought of that. The backlash when Al-Qaeda and all of the motley > > groups of terrorists realize they have been killing their brethren for > the > > enemy will be monumental and Americans will finally see what real > terrorism > > is all about, I believe that is a given. But that is okay for Washington > > too, they have all of the plans in place and this will allow the military > > industrial complex to expand and invade even more countries. What are a > few > > American lives? > > > > What about Israel? As I have said in the past, in reality the United > > States does not care about Israel. The maelstrom that will occur if the > US > > strikes Syria will be monumental and right in the middle of it will be > the > > Jewish state. Washington, thousands of miles away, behind a missile > shield, > > with all of its leaders protected and hiding in bunkers, will be safe. Of > > course the US has convinced Israel that they are safe, but I beg to > differ. > > > > Let this be a warning then to reactionary proponents of an attack on > > Syria: the results will be monumental and may lead to the > self-destruction > > of America both economically and politically. Why? For one it will > further > > bankrupt an already decimated economy. Two, it will also polarize enemies > > and cause countries around the world to strike back, meaning the world > > community may in fact realize that it is time to reign in and end the > > continual invasions and aggressive wars being waged by the US > > This will be particularly true when it is revealed that the chemical > > attack in Syria was a black operation to give Obama his pretext to carry > > out another Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning-act-of-aggression. If the world > wakes > > up that is. > > > > This last point will no doubt fall on deaf ears, or in this case “on > blind > > eyes”, but in reality the US is missing a very important opportunity in > > Syria, and that is a chance to rebuild its reputation and become a > > respected intelligent and grown up member and leader of the world > community > > by simply promoting a peaceful resolution. The world is truly tired of US > > bombs and bellicose rhetoric and the actions of an arrogant > one-world-power > > wantonly bashing and bullying its way across the globe. > > > > My thoughts are with the Syrian people and my hope is that someone, > > somewhere, with the power to stop this madness will listen. How about it > > President of the United States of America Barrack Hussein Obama? Maybe it > > is time to use diplomacy and work for peace and to finally put the > weapons > > down? You have a Nobel Peace Prize after all. Or does that mean nothing? > > > > Read more: > > > http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_08_28/Attack-on-Syria-may-cause-massive-damage-to-the-US-1204/ > > > > > > > > > > > > btw .. breaking news Confirmed: #Russia and #China have officially > > withdrawn from security council meeting on #Syria > > > > Egypt will not allow US & UK warships through Suez canal to attack Syria > > (Egpytian News) > > > > According to Egyptian TV, Pinochet Sisi - the House of Saud protege - is > > NOT allowing US and UK warships to pass through the Suez Canal; they > will, > > obviously, attack Syria. Cairo is AGAINST Obama's Tomahawk war. > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> > > *To:* cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:45 PM > > *Subject:* [cryptome] Re: Syria > > > > > > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/Melbourne-IT-Blog-Hacked-and-Defaced-by-Syrian-Electronic-Army-378830.shtml > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > https://twitter.com/ZonedSecurity/status/372772194645856256 > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Obama administration official confirmed that a final decision is to go > > to a military attack Assad's regime for its use of chemical weapons > against > > its citizens. > > Administration official confirmed that the U.S. is at the point of no > > return, as he put it, with regard to the attack itself, he said the > timing > > has not yet been determined. > > > > The evening ended with emergency session of the Security Council of the > UN > > on whether to accept the British proposal and approve military action > > against Syria. Before the debate ended unofficial representatives left > > Russia and China the place to protest the intent to attack Assad's > regime. > > > > Tonight reported further that Turkey has raised the security alert > level. Network > > to the Arab - reported today that the Syrian government cleared a key > > government institutions and security were considered potential targets > for > > attack. Among other things, turns the base of the fourth division of the > > Syrian army, at Jabel Ksion Damascus. > > > > Defense believe that Israel will remain out of the picture. Netanyahu > > asked ministers not "chatter" in the media. Limited statements from the > > chief of staff and defense minister were coordinated with the prime > > minister. Comes to warning messages Syrian rocket attacks on Israel. > > Condition imposed on Israel: Although we are not in the picture, but > > because the world decided to punish the Syrians, we are supposed to be on > > the line for them. > > I would like to see the U.S. reaction, the English and the French, if the > > Syrians were threatening them with missiles on their heads if they > Iitkifo > > them, and we suffer because of it. > > > > I wonder what was public opinion in the U.S., England and France, if that > > were the face of things. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Haim Barak <haim357@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Thank you ,No words to thank the interpretation,,,,, > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:55 PM, coderman <coderman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:21 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > ... > > > One vote for Eugen, one vote for Haim, one vote for everyone > > > dead or alive. Rig them votes, sock them puppets. > > > > > > everyone who is seemingly stymied by mail filters, deferring their > > input evaluation to third party "moderators", is a lazy lout or > > negligent nincompoop! > > > > your personal responsibility upon joining any list is to evaluate the > > origin and content of received communications and apply filters or > > mute accordingly. > > > > do not shirk this responsibility to others, lest the blinders and echo > > chamber cripple mind... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Haim Barak > > To Serve and Protect Our Community > > In God We Trust > > Israel#: 5353... > > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > > Skype: haim.357 > > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Haim Barak > > To Serve and Protect Our Community > > In God We Trust > > Israel#: 5353... > > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > > Skype: haim.357 > > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Haim Barak > > To Serve and Protect Our Community > > In God We Trust > > Israel#: 5353... > > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > > Skype: haim.357 > > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Haim Barak > > To Serve and Protect Our Community > > In God We Trust > > Israel#: 5353... > > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > > Skype: haim.357 > > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Haim Barak > To Serve and Protect Our Community > In God We Trust > Israel#: 5353... > Email: haim357@xxxxxxxxx > Skype: haim.357 > http://haim357.wordpress.com/ > > > <http://haim357.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/banner.jpg> > > This e-mail is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. No waiver of privilege, confidence or > otherwise is intended by virtue of communication via the Internet. Any > unauthorized use, dissemination or copying is strictly prohibited. > Thank you. > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:46:34 -0400 > From: John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Fw: Realtime air traffic & web attacks 90% > > Indeed, both of these are intriguing. > > Would be helpful to know which of the attacks are by governments > and their contractors. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of cryptome Digest V2 #43 > ***************************** > >