[CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 04:28:03 -0800
Superman once fucked a cat and then the cat died.
Explain.
On 05/12/2013, Donaldson, Alasdair <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A true paladin doesn't leave his party in their final fight.
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
> Sent: 05 December 2013 1:56 PM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> that's deep stu.
>
> ima paladin , believe
>
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:51:21 +0000
> Nah, arguing a different point here. Superman's decision to always uphold
> the idea of not killing is not about a difference in power levels. If it was
> just that, then there would be no point to it. Of course he doesn't need to
> kill humans. He can subdue us without any major hassle. It's not supposed to
> be easy for him to always uphold the code. That's part of what makes it
> important. Having Superman not kill people who are vastly below his power
> level isn't much of a personal code. Having him keep to that code through
> all trials is what makes him the absolute paragon.
>
> The issue is that Superman is not supposed to kill in any circumstances. The
> point of this being that even in situations where he would be pushed to
> extreme measures, like fighting Zod or Doomsday or some other major league
> power out there.
>
> There are enough cases in the comics where he fights other high level
> powers. He doesn't have to kill them. Sloppy writing in the Superman film
> left him in a position where killing Zod was the logical option.
>
> Superman doesn't undergo the same ethical dilemma that a lot of the other
> heroes do because killing is never an option. It's always then about
> Superman finding a solution where none seems to exist.
>
> Superman is not supposed to be like the other characters. He doesn't
> accidentally kill people. He doesn't lose the plot and do it.
>
> It's like the defining characteristics of the characters - Batman is always
> prepared, Spiderman/Hulk/Iron Man has personal issues, Constantine will
> screw over the good guys and bad guys, Superman will always do the right
> thing.
>
> He's supposed to inspire and show the very best that people can be. Once you
> take that away from him, you don't have Superman anymore. You have just
> another random superhero with lots of powers. In that movie they removed the
> defining characteristic of Superman.
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> Sent: 05 December 2013 1:32 PM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> Like I mentioned earlier, I dont know about the batman story etc. not really
> debating about that movie.
>
> "Superman is not supposed to be subject to human failings. He has enough
> power and intellect to be above situations where there is no option but
> killing his opponent."
> That cant still be the case when hes up against another Kryptonian cause
> power and intellect is suddenly not a advantage anymore. Against humans or
> lesser "beings" its no problem.
>
>
> Zod situation was extreme tho and he was not beten at all at that point imo.
> They were going at it at full force till right before the end.
>
>
> Zod was actually getting stronger and "unlocking" new supe-like abilities as
> they were going along and he started acclimating etc.
>
>
>
> How exactly do you "subdue" Zod? Who has made it clear that he will not
> stop...
> I mean Supes did infact try to send them all back to phantom zone, that
> option was gone at that point.
>
>
>
> There are allot of stuff wrong with the movie imo, but I just cant see how
> him killing zod is one of them...
>
>
>
> I still want to know how he can Always uphold their code when its relatively
> easy to put him in situations where he cant. When supes is up against a
> fellow kryptonian atleast.
>
> Batman would be way easier to force into that kind of situation.
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:11:54 +0000
> Neither of these situations were extreme. Ra's was alone on a train. Zod had
> been beaten.
>
> Superman is not supposed to be subject to human failings. He has enough
> power and intellect to be above situations where there is no option but
> killing his opponent.
>
> There is a sliding scale of the, uh, goodness of the comic book heroes and
> villains. On the far end of the scale, you've got the villains who only want
> stupid things like more power, world domination, immortality etc. They will
> do anything for their goals. A little further along you've got the villains
> who have goals that may be acceptable, but their methods are wrong -
> characters like Magneto who really want equality for mutants, but are
> willing to crush any humans (or mutants) who get in the way.
> Past this you have the heroes that are questionable in their methods -
> characters like the Punisher or Constantine. They're on the side of good,
> but what they do is reprehensible and puts them outside the sphere of
> acceptable human behaviour. Further along the scale you have the rest of the
> heroes who, in varying degrees, have their failings. At the far end of the
> scale you have Superman and Batman. These are characters that are on the
> side of good and will not compromise their ideals.
>
> All of the heroes struggle with this issue. In the Onslaught saga Cable has
> the opportunity to kill Apocalypse. In order to do this (long explanation
> needed here), he needs to kill an innocent child. He goes fot it (but get's
> stopped by the kid's mom - Sue Storm from Fantastic 4).
>
> The important thing about Supes and Bats is that they do uphold this one
> rule in ANY circumstances.
>
> What we've done now is lowered the bar on absolute heroism. At the very top
> of the scale you now have Batman and Superman who kill their opponents when
> they can't think of a better option. That's a major loss in terms of what
> the pinnacle of humanity should be.
>
> Maybe not killing people is old school, but I don't think it should be. Even
> if the concepts of Superman and Batman don't make perfect sense in the
> modern world, I think they should still stand as the goal. They should be
> what the other heroes strive to be.
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> Sent: 05 December 2013 12:36 PM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> Its staying true to the code under ANY and ALL circumstances thats old
> school.
>
> "Are you seriously saying that not killing people is an arbitrary rule?"
>
> Yes. when it directly conflicts with what the character is trying to
> achieve then it is. I would love to see peoples opinions on Supes standing
> there and let zod eyelazer those poeple and shrugging his shoulders "Its in
> the code... sorry folks".
>
> "At what point in our society did we devolve to the point where killing the
> opponent is the go-to option, especially for those who are supposed to be
> heroes, and above the usual human failings?"
>
> There is a difference between it being the "go-to" options and it begin
> necessary in extreme situations.
>
>
>
> On a sidenote. If fairly sure you are aware of the fact that there is
> indeed a difference between self-defense or the defense of others and
> murder.
> Minor details etc.
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:20:41 +0000
> Thats the cheezy type of oldschool hero stuff that I am glad they have
> gotten rid of imo.
>
> Once again, that's my major issue with this. The idea of a hero murdering
> the bad guy is accepted happily, while the idea of actually staying true to
> some sort of moral code is viewed as old school.
> Superman is not supposed to be realistic, even within the DC universe. A lot
> of the other characters there have trouble dealing with someone who is that
> pure.
>
> I don't know - given that both made such strong stands against murder, it's
> not a natural progression, unless we're now celebrating the moral
> disintegration of heroism? Is mediocrity and bowing to 'the system' now
> heroic? That's why we have Dexter and the Punisher - we do need violent
> justice, but we also need the idea of the Paladin - otherwise we are no more
> than grime packaged as sentient.
> I think it's a case of consumerism beating down nobility.
>
> The thing is, in neither case was the murder strictly necessary. The
> Superman film degenerated into sloppy action sequences and they didn't know
> how to end it. Wait, the writer obviously had this 'cutting edge' idea - but
> then it's DC's fault for hiring someone who didn't get Superman to write the
> film - which suggests that DC doesn't get Superman anymore either.
>
> The change is too extreme and isn't accompanied with the requisite
> psychological progression or change - if you want them to kill, you need to
> change the characters sufficiently, within the storyline, so that their
> actions now make sense in the new paradigm. Having not shifted the paradigm,
> you cannot expect the action to be 'understandable'. It would make more
> sense for Dexter to start forgiving killers, than for Superman to kill.
>
> I dont see how having characters conform to such a arbitrary "rule" without
> justification being a good idea
>
> Are you seriously saying that not killing people is an arbitrary rule? At
> what point in our society did we devolve to the point where killing the
> opponent is the go-to option, especially for those who are supposed to be
> heroes, and above the usual human failings?
>
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> Sent: 05 December 2013 12:09 PM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> "My issue is that both Bats and Supes are supposed to be incorruptible. For
> both of them there is no justification for killing an enemy."
>
> Thats whats completely stupid and unrealistic(Yea I im mentioning realism
> when are talking about superheroes) imo and im glad they got rid of it.
>
>
> I dont see how having characters conform to such a arbitrary "rule" without
> justification being a good idea, even if anybody could easily imagine
> situations where their ideals would not function properly.
>
> Unless they pull out some Mc Guyver like conveniece by magically being able
> to find some way to trap/subdue their enemy with some matches and a piece of
> gum(Or their tech/magic like equivalent). Thats lazy writing in my eyes.
>
> Thats the cheezy type of oldschool hero stuff that I am glad they have
> gotten rid of imo.
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:58:21 +0000
> Ah, that's exactly it. It was justified in the situations.
> Batman was fighting against a madman who was trying to destroy the city.
> Supes was fighting against someone who had the potential to destroy the
> world.
> In both of these situations, the death of the villain is justified. It
> serves the greater good. The world is a better place without Ra's or Zod.
>
> My issue is that both Bats and Supes are supposed to be incorruptible. For
> both of them there is no justification for killing an enemy.
>
> Killing an enemy once does make them anti-heroes. They're still the
> protagonist, and they're still on the side of good and all that. They've
> just lost what made them the pure/true heroes.
>
> In terms of the booze idea, never drinking would make them heroes. Drinking
> (once or more) would make them anti-heroes. Being alcoholics would make them
> villains.
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> Sent: 05 December 2013 11:50 AM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> A anti-hero is a character trait imo. Something permanent and the way he
> acts in general.
>
> A character gets drunk once doesnt make him a alchaholic and its the same
> with this and supes.
>
> Killing once doesnt make you a anti-hero, even less if it can be justified
> in the situation(I think it was imo).
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:37:11 +0000
> How did Batman not become an anti-hero? He lets a man die. It doesn't even
> seem to bother him later. The death of Dent does bother him, but less
> because it happened on his watch and more because of what Dent became.
>
> Superman has murdered someone. He's outright broken the guy's neck in a
> fight. That's okay though because he feels bad about it. Extreme last
> resort? I dunno about that. Supes from the comics is genius level
> intelligence. He's got all the knowledge from most of the universe in his
> head. He's fighting against an equal in terms of strength and abilities, so
> because of that, he has to kill the guy? With all of his (and Zod's) unreal
> abilities and intellect, the best that they can do is murder.
>
> The fact that you can view two characters as not being anti-heroes, despite
> the fact that they're both outright murderers, is an issue. Neither of them
> killed the enemy by accident. Neither of them were in positions of immediate
> and life threatening danger. Maybe you can argue that Supes was, but Zod had
> lost that fight already.
>
> Maybe you're right, and they'll use this as the turning point for Supes
> where he decides that never again will he kill. I just wonder now that they
> took the line in the sand for these characters and shifted it, why bother
> with a line at all?
>
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> Sent: 05 December 2013 11:14 AM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> Its not like they became anti-heroes tho.
>
>
> Killing was a extreme last resort in supes movie... and it clearly bothered
> him immensely. They didnt mention him being averse to killing in the movie
> tho... they could even use this as the event that pushed in into the "I
> shall not kill" mindset for future movies.
>
>
> Dunno about the Batman stuff, can easily think of situation that he would be
> "forced" to kill but cant remember the movie being that way. Should be way
> easier to get bats into that position than superman imo.
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:01:52 +0000
> That's fine, maybe the concepts of Superman and Batman are outdated.
>
> In the comics, the idea of killing the bad guys is something that they think
> about. Batman specifically doesn't kill anyone. After Bain breaks his back,
> someone else takes over being Batman. After that guy lets a villain die,
> Bruce Wayne freaks out and takes back the mantle of the bat.
> Similarly Superman does face retardedly strong enemies, like Zod. The whole
> point of Superman is that he is the absolute in terms of virtue. That's why
> he leads the Justice League. He's the only out there that doesn't fall from
> grace. Sure, having someone that pure is a bit boring for a film, but that's
> what his character is.
>
> I find it a bit sad that they've taken the two characters out there in the
> DC universe who will never kill for any reason, and have both of them just
> give up and become murderers. Batman doesn't kill Ra's al Gul out of self
> defence. He lets the guy die. Superman kills Zod because he can't think of a
> better idea.
> Great.. and that's the best that the world is supposed to offer?
>
> Maybe it's just that there are enough anti-heroes out there and heroes with
> massive flaws. Was it too much to ask for one that doesn't just give up and
> take the easy route?
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> Sent: 05 December 2013 10:52 AM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> I think its lazier writing thinking up some campy reason why superman could
> get away with not killing.
>
> Against "normal" opponents sure, hes godlike compared to humans so he wont
> need to resort to lethal means... but against some of the other DC
> powerhouses or another Kryptonian? Fuck off... im not a kid anymore.
>
> Just sounds like some old cheesy leftover of what heroes of old could
> accomplish. Beat the baddy, save the girl, everything is always fine.
> Cheezy imo.
> I just dont think that would work anymore in modern entertainment.
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:39:57 +0000
> It's lazy writing. Either that or Zack Snyder just wanted to stamp his own
> feel on it.
> Either way, they got rid of one of the defining characteristics of Superman.
> He's supposed to be more than just a vigilante. He's not supposed to be a
> killer. There are heroes that walk that line - Wolverine, Cap'n, Punisher
> and alike on the Marvel side. On the DC side, Lobo, Wonder Woman, GL.
> They've all killed. Bats and Supes are supposed to be different. No
> excuses.
>
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
> Sent: 05 December 2013 10:34 AM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> I still dont see the problem with Supes killing...
>
> Would not have been a paragon of virtue either if he willingly just lets
> people die that he could save
> ________________________________
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 07:11:46 +0000
> I'm still pissed off with what DC has done with their films. Although I
> liked the idea of a more serious, less cartoony approach to both Batman and
> Superman, I seriously dislike the fact that they've both effectively killed
> enemies in their films - Batman lets Ra'sal Gul die in Batman begins. Supes
> takes out Zod. Great. They've both dedicated themselves to being absolute
> paragons of virtue and both first films end with them failing to uphold
> that.
> Green Lantern was a joke.
>
> Anyways... Still have no real idea who they could cast as Wonder Woman.
> Finding an actress who looks the part - someone who could take Batman in a
> fight without breaking a sweat - is a bit of an issue.
>
>
> From: Ryan Williams [mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 05 December 2013 8:35 AM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Donaldson, Alasdair
> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> Not Wonder Woman material. There are far better picks.
>
> Ben Affleck as Batman = fail.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/12/04/gal-gadot-cast-as-wonder-woman-in-batman-vs-superman
>
> Not sure if I agree with all the casting choices here. Then again, I'm sure
> they know what they're doing.
>
> From: Donaldson, Alasdair
> Sent: 05 December 2013 8:08 AM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> Thought about getting Path of Exile. Game looks good. Just don't have the
> time to play it though.
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
> Sent: 05 December 2013 7:25 AM
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> morning peeps,
>
> downloaded path of exile off steam last night. game looks good for f2p game.
> system similar to torchlight but more of diablo3 style.
>
> kingdoms rise looks good too. create your own knight, looks like a cross
> between an mmorpg and dmc.
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:55:08 +0200
> Subject: [CPT-FGCse ] Re: Hi
> From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ...more like a constipated rectum, but yeah, a toilet with a broken cistern
> would be similar.
> LB just wantsfor BB what I want for MK.
> On 4 Dec 2013 17:51, "Stephen Scheidel"
> <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> LB is like a toilet.
> Because he is full of shit.
>
> Humor.
>
> On 4 December 2013 07:19, lindsey kiviets
> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> get this game man , otherwise you letting everyone know im the best.
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 16:53:29 +0200
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv0Wc6ZNG3c
> Original:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbOwNfqgF04
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM, lindsey kiviets
> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> I be there too.
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:56:49 +0200
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
> From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I'm working, but I'll be there after
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Ryan Williams
> <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> Provided there is a sesh on Saturday, count me in.
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> It's the run down to the holiday break, so we've got a load of work to
> finish before we shut down.
> Also, I spent most of yesterday catching up on random forums and generally
> stuffing around, so trying to make up for that now.
>
> Is there a session this Saturday?
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> On Behalf Of Nicholas Robertson-Muir
> Sent: 04 December 2013 2:06 PM
>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
>
> Workin' like crazy here, looks like I'm not the only one.
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
> <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> What Steam sale?
> It's gone... I missed it...
>
>
> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
> Sent: 03 December 2013 12:15 PM
>
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>
> Any games worth getting during the Steam Sale?
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> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
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> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
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>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
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> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
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> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
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>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
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>
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
> ________________________________
> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally
> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
>
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> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail
> by anyone else is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in
> error, please address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to
> the original sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If
> you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and
> may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject
> to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
> engagement letter. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this
> e-mail and any attachments that do not relate to the official business of
> the firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.
>
> KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free,
> as information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed,
> arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
>
> This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
> International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services
> to you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss
> entity that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent
> firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services
> to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
> separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
> structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained
> from your KPMG representative.
>
> This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
> AntiVirus software.
>
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