[CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 12:09:14 +0000
"He’s supposed to inspire and show the very best that people can be"
Maybe the best people can be just aint good enough...
From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:51:21 +0000
Nah, arguing a different point here. Superman’s decision to always uphold the
idea of not killing is not about a difference in power levels. If it was just
that, then there would be no point to it. Of course he doesn’t need to kill
humans. He can subdue us without any major hassle. It’s not supposed to be easy
for him to always uphold the code. That’s part of what makes it important.
Having Superman not kill
people who are vastly below his power level isn’t much of a personal code.
Having him keep to that code through all trials is what makes him the absolute
paragon.
The issue is that Superman is not supposed to kill in any circumstances. The
point of this being that even in situations where he would be pushed to extreme
measures, like fighting Zod or Doomsday or some other major league power out
there.
There are enough cases in the comics where he fights other high level powers.
He doesn’t have to kill them. Sloppy writing in the Superman film left him in
a position where killing Zod was the logical option.
Superman doesn’t undergo the same ethical dilemma that a lot of the other
heroes do because killing is never an option. It’s always then about Superman
finding
a solution where none seems to exist.
Superman is not supposed to be like the other characters. He doesn’t
accidentally kill people. He doesn’t lose the plot and do it.
It’s like the defining characteristics of the characters – Batman is always
prepared, Spiderman/Hulk/Iron Man has personal issues, Constantine will screw
over
the good guys and bad guys, Superman will always do the right thing.
He’s supposed to inspire and show the very best that people can be. Once you
take that away from him, you don’t have Superman anymore. You have just another
random superhero with lots of powers. In that movie they removed the defining
characteristic of Superman.
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Sent: 05 December 2013 1:32 PM
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Like I mentioned earlier, I dont know about the batman story etc. not really
debating about that movie.
"Superman is not supposed to be subject to human failings. He has enough power
and intellect to be above situations where there is no option but killing his
opponent."
That cant still be the case when hes up against another Kryptonian cause power
and intellect is suddenly not a advantage anymore. Against humans or lesser
"beings" its no problem.
Zod situation was extreme tho and he was not beten at all at that point imo.
They were going at it at full force till right before the end.
Zod was actually getting stronger and "unlocking" new supe-like abilities as
they were going along and he started acclimating etc.
How exactly do you "subdue" Zod? Who has made it clear that he will not stop...
I mean Supes did infact try to send them all back to phantom zone, that option
was gone at that point.
There are allot of stuff wrong with the movie imo, but I just cant see how him
killing zod is one of them...
I still want to know how he can Always uphold their code when its relatively
easy to put him in situations where he cant. When supes is up against a fellow
kryptonian atleast.
Batman would be way easier to force into that kind of situation.
From:
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:11:54 +0000
Neither of these situations were extreme. Ra’s was alone on a train. Zod had
been beaten.
Superman is not supposed to be subject to human failings. He has enough power
and intellect to be above situations where there is
no option but killing his opponent.
There is a sliding scale of the, uh, goodness of the comic book heroes and
villains. On the far end of the scale, you’ve got the
villains who only want stupid things like more power, world domination,
immortality etc. They will do anything for their goals. A little further along
you’ve got the villains who have goals that may be acceptable, but their
methods are wrong – characters like
Magneto who really want equality for mutants, but are willing to crush any
humans (or mutants) who get in the way.
Past this you have the heroes that are questionable in their methods –
characters like the Punisher or Constantine. They’re on the
side of good, but what they do is reprehensible and puts them outside the
sphere of acceptable human behaviour. Further along the scale you have the rest
of the heroes who, in varying degrees, have their failings. At the far end of
the scale you have Superman
and Batman. These are characters that are on the side of good and will not
compromise their ideals.
All of the heroes struggle with this issue. In the Onslaught saga Cable has the
opportunity to kill Apocalypse. In order to do this
(long explanation needed here), he needs to kill an innocent child. He goes
fot it (but get’s stopped by the kid’s mom – Sue Storm from Fantastic 4).
The important thing about Supes and Bats is that they do uphold this one rule
in ANY circumstances.
What we’ve done now is lowered the bar on absolute heroism. At the very top of
the scale you now have Batman and Superman who kill
their opponents when they can’t think of a better option. That’s a major loss
in terms of what the pinnacle of humanity should be.
Maybe not killing people is old school, but I don’t think it should be. Even if
the concepts of Superman and Batman don’t make perfect
sense in the modern world, I think they should still stand as the goal. They
should be what the other heroes strive to be.
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Sent: 05 December 2013 12:36 PM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Its staying true to the code under ANY and ALL circumstances thats old school.
"Are you seriously saying that not killing people is an arbitrary rule?"
Yes. when it directly conflicts with what the character is trying to achieve
then it is. I would love to see peoples opinions on Supes standing there and
let zod eyelazer those poeple and shrugging his shoulders "Its in the code...
sorry folks".
"At what point in our society did we devolve to the point where killing the
opponent is the go-to option, especially for those who are supposed to be
heroes, and above the
usual human failings?"
There is a difference between it being the "go-to" options and it begin
necessary in extreme situations.
On a sidenote. If fairly sure you are aware of the fact that there is indeed a
difference between self-defense or the defense of others and murder.
Minor details etc.
From:
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:20:41 +0000
Thats the cheezy type of oldschool hero stuff that I am glad they have gotten
rid of imo.
Once again, that’s my major issue with this. The idea of a hero murdering the
bad guy is accepted happily, while the idea of actually
staying true to some sort of moral code is viewed as old school.
Superman is not supposed to be realistic, even within the DC universe. A lot of
the other characters there have trouble dealing with
someone who is that pure.
I don’t know – given that both made such strong stands against murder, it’s not
a natural progression, unless we’re now celebrating
the moral disintegration of heroism? Is mediocrity and bowing to ‘the system’
now heroic? That’s why we have Dexter and the Punisher – we do need violent
justice, but we also need the idea of the Paladin – otherwise we are no more
than grime packaged as sentient.
I think it’s a case of consumerism beating down nobility.
The thing is, in neither case was the murder strictly necessary. The Superman
film degenerated into sloppy action sequences and they
didn’t know how to end it. Wait, the writer obviously had this ‘cutting edge’
idea – but then it’s DC’s fault for hiring someone who didn’t get Superman to
write the film – which suggests that DC doesn’t get Superman anymore either.
The change is too extreme and isn’t accompanied with the requisite
psychological progression or change – if you want them to kill,
you need to change the characters sufficiently, within the storyline, so that
their actions now make sense in the new paradigm. Having not shifted the
paradigm, you cannot expect the action to be ‘understandable’. It would make
more sense for Dexter to start
forgiving killers, than for Superman to kill.
I dont see how having characters conform to such a arbitrary "rule" without
justification being a good idea
Are you seriously saying that not killing people is an arbitrary rule? At what
point in our society did we devolve to the point where
killing the opponent is the go-to option, especially for those who are
supposed to be heroes, and above the usual human failings?
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Sent: 05 December 2013 12:09 PM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
"My issue is that both Bats and Supes are supposed to be incorruptible. For
both of them there is no justification for killing an enemy."
Thats whats completely stupid and unrealistic(Yea I im mentioning realism when
are talking about superheroes) imo and im glad they got rid of it.
I dont see how having characters conform to such a arbitrary "rule" without
justification being a good idea, even if anybody could easily imagine
situations where their ideals would not function properly.
Unless they pull out some Mc Guyver like conveniece by magically being able to
find some way to trap/subdue their enemy with some matches and a piece of
gum(Or their tech/magic like equivalent). Thats lazy writing in my eyes.
Thats the cheezy type of oldschool hero stuff that I am glad they have gotten
rid of imo.
From:
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:58:21 +0000
Ah, that’s exactly it. It was justified in the situations.
Batman was fighting against a madman who was trying to destroy the city. Supes
was fighting against someone who had the potential
to destroy the world.
In both of these situations, the death of the villain is justified. It serves
the greater good. The world is a better place without
Ra’s or Zod.
My issue is that both Bats and Supes are supposed to be incorruptible. For both
of them there is no justification for killing an
enemy.
Killing an enemy once does make them anti-heroes. They’re still the
protagonist, and they’re still on the side of good and all that.
They’ve just lost what made them the pure/true heroes.
In terms of the booze idea, never drinking would make them heroes. Drinking
(once or more) would make them anti-heroes. Being alcoholics
would make them villains.
From:
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Sent: 05 December 2013 11:50 AM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
A anti-hero is a character trait imo. Something permanent and the way he acts
in general.
A character gets drunk once doesnt make him a alchaholic and its the same with
this and supes.
Killing once doesnt make you a anti-hero, even less if it can be justified in
the situation(I think it was imo).
From:
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:37:11 +0000
How did Batman not become an anti-hero? He lets a man die. It doesn’t even seem
to bother him later. The death of Dent does bother
him, but less because it happened on his watch and more because of what Dent
became.
Superman has murdered someone. He’s outright broken the guy’s neck in a fight.
That’s okay though because he feels bad about it.
Extreme last resort? I dunno about that. Supes from the comics is genius level
intelligence. He’s got all the knowledge from most of the universe in his head.
He’s fighting against an equal in terms of strength and abilities, so because
of that, he has to
kill the guy? With all of his (and Zod’s) unreal abilities and intellect, the
best that they can do is murder.
The fact that you can view two characters as not being anti-heroes, despite the
fact that they’re both outright murderers, is an
issue. Neither of them killed the enemy by accident. Neither of them were in
positions of immediate and life threatening danger. Maybe you can argue that
Supes was, but Zod had lost that fight already.
Maybe you’re right, and they’ll use this as the turning point for Supes where
he decides that never again will he kill. I just wonder
now that they took the line in the sand for these characters and shifted it,
why bother with a line at all?
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Sent: 05 December 2013 11:14 AM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Its not like they became anti-heroes tho.
Killing was a extreme last resort in supes movie... and it clearly bothered
him immensely. They didnt mention him being averse to killing in the movie
tho... they could even use this as the event that pushed in into the "I shall
not kill" mindset for future
movies.
Dunno about the Batman stuff, can easily think of situation that he would be
"forced" to kill but cant remember the movie being that way. Should be way
easier to get bats into that position than superman imo.
From:
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:01:52 +0000
That’s fine, maybe the concepts of Superman and Batman are outdated.
In the comics, the idea of killing the bad guys is something that they think
about. Batman specifically doesn’t kill anyone. After
Bain breaks his back, someone else takes over being Batman. After that guy
lets a villain die, Bruce Wayne freaks out and takes back the mantle of the bat.
Similarly Superman does face retardedly strong enemies, like Zod. The whole
point of Superman is that he is the absolute in terms
of virtue. That’s why he leads the Justice League. He’s the only out there
that doesn’t fall from grace. Sure, having someone that pure is a bit boring
for a film, but that’s what his character is.
I find it a bit sad that they’ve taken the two characters out there in the DC
universe who will never kill for any reason, and have
both of them just give up and become murderers. Batman doesn’t kill Ra’s al
Gul out of self defence. He lets the guy die. Superman kills Zod because he
can’t think of a better idea.
Great.. and that’s the best that the world is supposed to offer?
Maybe it’s just that there are enough anti-heroes out there and heroes with
massive flaws. Was it too much to ask for one that doesn’t
just give up and take the easy route?
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Sent: 05 December 2013 10:52 AM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
I think its lazier writing thinking up some campy reason why superman could get
away with not killing.
Against "normal" opponents sure, hes godlike compared to humans so he wont need
to resort to lethal means... but against some of the other DC powerhouses or
another Kryptonian? Fuck off... im not a kid anymore.
Just sounds like some old cheesy leftover of what heroes of old could
accomplish. Beat the baddy, save the girl, everything is always fine. Cheezy
imo.
I just dont think that would work anymore in modern entertainment.
From:
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:39:57 +0000
It’s lazy writing. Either that or Zack Snyder just wanted to stamp his own feel
on it.
Either way, they got rid of one of the defining characteristics of Superman.
He’s supposed to be more than just a vigilante. He’s
not supposed to be a killer. There are heroes that walk that line – Wolverine,
Cap’n, Punisher and alike on the Marvel side. On the DC side, Lobo, Wonder
Woman, GL. They’ve all killed. Bats and Supes are supposed to be different. No
excuses.
From:
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Sent: 05 December 2013 10:34 AM
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I still dont see the problem with Supes killing...
Would not have been a paragon of virtue either if he willingly just lets people
die that he could save
From:
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 07:11:46 +0000
I’m still pissed off with what DC has done with their films. Although I liked
the idea of a more serious, less cartoony approach
to both Batman and Superman, I seriously dislike the fact that they’ve both
effectively killed enemies in their films – Batman lets Ra’sal Gul die in
Batman begins. Supes takes out Zod. Great. They’ve both dedicated themselves to
being absolute paragons of
virtue and both first films end with them failing to uphold that.
Green Lantern was a joke.
Anyways... Still have no real idea who they could cast as Wonder Woman. Finding
an actress who looks the part – someone who could
take Batman in a fight without breaking a sweat – is a bit of an issue.
From: Ryan Williams [mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 05 December 2013 8:35 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Donaldson, Alasdair
Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Not Wonder Woman material. There are far better picks.
Ben Affleck as Batman = fail.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/12/04/gal-gadot-cast-as-wonder-woman-in-batman-vs-superman
Not sure if I agree with all the casting choices here. Then again, I’m sure
they know what they’re doing.
From: Donaldson, Alasdair
Sent: 05 December 2013 8:08 AM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Thought about getting Path of Exile. Game looks good. Just don’t have the time
to play it though.
From:
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On Behalf Of lindsey kiviets
Sent: 05 December 2013 7:25 AM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
morning peeps,
downloaded path of exile off steam last night. game looks good for f2p game.
system similar to torchlight but more of diablo3 style.
kingdoms rise looks good too. create your own knight, looks like a cross
between an mmorpg and dmc.
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:55:08 +0200
Subject: [CPT-FGCse ] Re: Hi
From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
...more like a constipated rectum, but yeah, a toilet with a broken cistern
would be similar.
LB just wantsfor BB what I want for MK.
On 4 Dec 2013 17:51, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
LB is like a toilet.
Because he is full of shit.
Humor.
On 4 December 2013 07:19, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
get this game man , otherwise you letting everyone know im the best.
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 16:53:29 +0200
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
From: ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv0Wc6ZNG3c
Original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbOwNfqgF04
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:58 PM, lindsey kiviets <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I be there too.
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:56:49 +0200
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I'm working, but I'll be there after
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Provided there is a sesh on Saturday, count me in.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It’s the run down to the holiday break, so we’ve got a load of work to finish
before we shut down.
Also, I spent most of yesterday catching up on random forums and generally
stuffing around, so trying to make up for that now.
Is there a session this Saturday?
From:
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On Behalf Of Nicholas Robertson-Muir
Sent: 04 December 2013 2:06 PM
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Workin' like crazy here, looks like I'm not the only one.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Donaldson, Alasdair
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What Steam sale?
It’s gone... I missed it...
From:
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On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
Sent: 03 December 2013 12:15 PM
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Subject: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
Any games worth getting during the Steam Sale?
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KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free, as
information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed, arrive
late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
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you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss entity
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International provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG
International is a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes
itself as such. Information about the
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your KPMG representative.
This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
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The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged.
It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else
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If you have received this communication in error, please address with the
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prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail
are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this e-mail and any attachments
that do not relate to the official business of the firm are neither given nor
endorsed by it.
KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free, as
information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed, arrive
late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services to
you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss entity
that serves as a coordinating entity
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International provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG
International is a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes
itself as such. Information about the
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your KPMG representative.
This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
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The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged.
It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else
is unauthorized.
If you have received this communication in error, please address with the
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are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this e-mail and any attachments
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endorsed by it.
KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free, as
information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed, arrive
late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services to
you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss entity
that serves as a coordinating entity
for a network of independent firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG
International provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG
International is a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes
itself as such. Information about the
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your KPMG representative.
This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
AntiVirus software.
The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged.
It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else
is unauthorized.
If you have received this communication in error, please address with the
subject heading "Received in error," send to the original sender, then delete
the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If you are not the intended recipient,
any disclosure, copying,
distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is
prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail
are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this e-mail and any attachments
that do not relate to the official business of the firm are neither given nor
endorsed by it.
KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free, as
information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed, arrive
late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services to
you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss entity
that serves as a coordinating entity
for a network of independent firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG
International provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG
International is a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes
itself as such. Information about the
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your KPMG representative.
This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
AntiVirus software.
The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged.
It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else
is unauthorized.
If you have received this communication in error, please address with the
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the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If you are not the intended recipient,
any disclosure, copying,
distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is
prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail
are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client
engagement letter.
Opinions, conclusions and other information in this e-mail and any attachments
that do not relate to the official business of the firm are neither given nor
endorsed by it.
KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free, as
information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed, arrive
late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services to
you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss entity
that serves as a coordinating entity
for a network of independent firms operating under the KPMG name. KPMG
International provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG
International is a legally distinct and separate entity and each describes
itself as such. Information about the
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your KPMG representative.
This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
AntiVirus software.
The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged.
It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else
is unauthorized. If you have received this communication in error, please
address with the subject heading "Received in error," send to the original
sender, then delete the e-mail and destroy any copies of it. If you are not the
intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken
or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful.
Any opinions or advice contained in this e-mail are subject to the terms and
conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. Opinions,
conclusions and other information in this e-mail and any attachments that do
not relate to the official business of the firm are neither given nor endorsed
by it.
KPMG cannot guarantee that e-mail communications are secure or error-free, as
information could be intercepted, corrupted, amended, lost, destroyed, arrive
late or incomplete, or contain viruses.
This email is being sent out by KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG
International") on behalf of the local KPMG member firm providing services to
you. KPMG International Cooperative ("KPMG International") is a Swiss entity
that serves as a coordinating entity for a network of independent firms
operating under the KPMG name. KPMG International provides no services to
clients. Each member firm of KPMG International is a legally distinct and
separate entity and each describes itself as such. Information about the
structure and jurisdiction of your local KPMG member firm can be obtained from
your KPMG representative.
This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept by
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