Re: [cpsig] Re: Bethlehem Car Works [was CPR Fruit Express Car 4632]

  • From: "dave hill" <techill@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:51:22 -0500

Hi I used Kirlin trucks from Dan Kirlin in Waterloo Ontario last time I talked with him he had lots in stock. regards DAVID HILL
----- Original Message ----- From: "mbwittrup" <wittrup@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: [cpsig] Re: Bethlehem Car Works [was CPR Fruit Express Car 4632]


Based upon this thread I ordered a kit and I am looking forward to building it. The question I have is: what trucks should I use and where would I source them? When done it will be CP 404904 or 404905 circa 1979.
Thanks,
Mark Wittrup
now in Regina

--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "jshorvath10583" <jshorvath10583@...> wrote:

As I believe I've said before on here, my understanding of BCW (and I've had the opportunity the last couple of years to 'look over the shoulders' of those involved in kit planning and development) is that they don't know how to deal with the market for Canadian prototypes of passenger cars, perhaps because they have no distribution network or experience north of the border. And because BCW is essentially a one-person show (John Greene), any and all perceptions by that one person tend to drive the company. The only reason they did the CPR SUF baggage-express is for New England modelers as these were signature cars on the Montreal-Boston "Alouette" between Montreal and Woodsville, NH. In addition, doing this model was a relatively simple adaptation of a previously-released CV SUF baggage-express (two different prototypes) so the basic kit components were already there.

I suspect BCW would entertain reasonable requests to do other Canadian prototypes, especially if they could be crafted around the basic components of other BCW kits, especially using the Branchline coach or Pullman as a core if a steel car is desired. But I will tell you that one should not expect BCW to do the prototype research for any new model. Simply emailing them and requesting this or that will go nowhere in my opinion. One needs to 'come armed' with photos and drawings in order to 'sell' a model to them. And in the case of Canadian prototypes I believe there is the additional uphill battle of identifying some sort of sales or distribution network. I suspect many will feel that prototype research, etc. should be the responsibility of the manufacturer who will ultimately profit from sales. But I'm simply 'telling it like it is' when it comes to BCW. I am an avid modeler of northern New England in the early 1950s and thus most interested in CPR and CNR passenger equipment on the various through trains to and from Montreal. I've purchased dozens of BCW kits over the years and as I've said, have had some exposure to recent kit development in their line so have a feel for how they are doing things these days. However I have no financial interest in or benefit from BCW. The sole reason for any indirect involvment I've had with them is purely for selfish reasons of getting models of prototypes I want.

I hope this gives some insight into things.

John S. Horvath





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