Re: [cpsig] Backup lights
- From: Michael Salfi <mikesue.salfi@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:34:12 -0500
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM, K V Railway <kvrailway@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> It isn't a matter of political correctness, Jim. It is a matter of
simple accuracy in what we >are talking about whether or not a specific
detail be of interest to you personally. It is quite >worrisome how much
mis-information becomes accepted as gospel truth with the passage >of time.
If not corrected promptly, details about matters such as whether the correct
terminology is FP7A or FP7 surprisingly quickly become details about which
nobody is >sure what the facts are.
But as I mentioned Joe, Dean and Hanna's Canadian Pacific Diesel Locomotives
book, the definitive work on CP diesels, identifies these as FP7-A's, and
that book was released 30 years ago, so I guess you had better blame Dean
and Hanna for, as you put it, their inaccuracy, which has led others astray
:)
Joe, you also said:
>I have put the question about backup lights on B-units out to my list
of 'experts' and we'll >see what we get back.
I never asked about back up lights on B units, my question was whether or
not the FP7-A units had back up lights.
Joe, later on you said:
>I am pretty sure that B units would have had backup lights right from
the get-go.
Joe, what are you basing this statement on. As I mentioned in my original
post, I have photos of F7-B's with and without back up lights. I was using
these "F7B" unit examples as justification for asking about the possible use
of back up lights on FP7-A units. Maybe it is a good reason for using "A"
and "B" terminology :)
Anyway, in Rail Canada Volume 3, there is a photo of F7B 1911(page 10) and
no back up light. The photo caption states the photo was taken on Oct 10,
1965 and the unit is in block scheme. It is definitely not a "get-go" photo
of this unit which was delivered to CP in 1951. Then there is a photo of CP
4433 on page 12 of the same book, taken on January 28, 1967 and wearing the
script scheme. In this photo you can clearly see a back up light.
Does this mean that CP started applying back up lights when units were
painted in script. I could say I'm pretty sure, but I thought I would seek
out the advice of experts because I am really not pretty sure. The photos
could be an anomoly or an example of "B" units used in different types of
service, thus equipped differently. But all I seem to be getting from most
is nitpicking about whether or not an "A" should be present, or a dash.
A hearty thank you to those you did offer help with my question though.
Mike Salfi
Joe Smuin
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:34 PM
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpsig%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [cpsig] Backup lights
Gentalmen(?)..... I found 1 picture in Linley's book on pg 127 of a B unit
with a backup light, and 3 pictures on Fallen Flags of backup lights on B
units, these look to be something that was added later(?). I have no idea
when they were installed.
Instead of bickering over whether the terminogly of FP7A or FP7 ic
politically correct why not help Mike to figure out what he wants to know,
about backup lights, A month or so ago I asked if any one had info on what
the roof colour on a insulated boxcar was this was when everyone was up
about mars light and icesicle breakers on roofs I had talked to Allen at
Black Cat Decals which I was going to use they stated the sides were orange
but said nothing about the ends or roof ,, he said the ends were black, but
his picture did not show the roof, i think I got lost in the shuffel, of
marslights and ice berakers, so I shal paint the roof black...Jim
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