Hi John:
Those ex NYC cars show purchased by Cp in 1954; also a "Pullman Company"
heavy-weight arch roof the same year renamed "Mountaineer" a classy looking
heavy-weight. I was at the Westmount Glen Yard one particular day when a
transfer arrived with this car fresh out of Angus Shops in its classy Tuscan
Red paint scheme. CN in particular purchased many, many second hand cars
from U.S. roads. CP tried to stick with their own original passenger cars.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Mitchell <mitchel2@xxxxxxxx>
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxx <cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: December 2, 2000 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [cpsig] B#-257-7 Canadian Pacific Passenger Trains-Montreal-via
State of Maine-Saint John, N.B.-Halifax, N.S.
Donald Scott wrote:Remarks:
CPR in 1954 purchased four stainless-steel cars from New York
Central and renamed "View" series for the overnight Ottawa-Toronto,
and
Montreal-Toronto route of trains # 21 and #22 overnight of th Chicago
service trains "Overseas Express" and "Chicago Express".
Donald,
My NYC books indicate that the Budd "Singing Brook", #10564, a
5 Bedroom/Observation-Lounge Car, and the Babbling Brook, Fall Brook,
and the Plum Brook, all Budd 5-bedroom/observation/buffet/lounge cars,
were sold to the CPR in 1959 and renamed in the "View" series.
You also mentioned in a previous email that the Pullman-Standard Cascade
series 10/5's from the 20th Century Express were also sold to the CPR
in 1954 as well. My book on this train says that the 12 original 1938
cars were sold to the NdeM in 1958 through 1960. However, a further
order of 13 Cascade 10/5's were delivered in 1940 for the Century and
four of these were later sold to the CPR and renamed into the "Dale"
series. I'm not sure when this happened, but your date of 1954 appears
reasonable, because these sleepers were downgraded from the premier NYC
trains after the arrival of the P-S and Budd 10/6's in the late 1940's.
This is particularly interesting because the consists of the CPR/NYC
joint overnight trains Toronto/Chicago, (from Detroit on the NYC),
indicate that 10/5's were used in the mid'fifties. I always thought
that it was the Grove series of cars, but it may well have been the
original NYC cars returning to travel again on the NYC rails between
Detroit and Chicago!!
John Mitchell,
Modeling the NYC, CPR and C&O in South Western Ontario and Detroit.
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