Re: [PCL] Re: "The Mountaineer" photo?

From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@xxxxxxxxx>
To: PassengerCarList@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:29:20 -0500

At 06:57 PM 8/30/2010, jtatum43 wrote:

From June 1941 OGR - No. 503-3-13 THE MOUNTAINEER (June 29 to August 23)

I am a bit surprised at the order of the train numbers, as the train was 3 on the CP and 13 on the Soo; 503 must have been the number of the C&NW train that handled the through cars St. Paul - Chicago.

Coach Chicago St.Paul Moose Jaw
Moose Jaw to Vancouver coach passengers transfer to No. 3

Soo cars St. Paul - Moose Jaw, CP west from there. I wasn't aware that a coach ran through to Chicago; I suspect a change of cars at St. Paul for coach passengers also.

Tourist Sleeper St. Paul to Vancouver 13 Sec. Two cars

See comment below.

Diner Chicago to Vancouver

If the pattern used later was used, there were three separate diners involved; C&NW Chicagi - St. Paul, Soo Enderlin - Moose Jaw or Swift Current, CP Calgary - Vancouver

Sleeper  Chicago to Vancouver  8 Sec  5 DBR
                  Chicago to Vancouver   8 Sec  DR  2 CPT
                  St. Paul to Vancouver  10 Sec DR  2 CPT

See comments below.

Solarium Lounge Chicago to Vancouver

Either Soo or CP RIVER series cars.

Open Observation Calgary to Vancouver

No. 14-4-504 Eastbound July 2 to August 27 had the same consist.

Crossing fingers,

Jim Tatum.

Tom Madden was nice enough to break out the Pullman cars assigned to both Soo and CPR with their assignment dates a while back, and I'll list those cars so assigned during the 1941 Mountaineer season here, and also copy the CPSIG LIST:

Andrade 2410I S SOO 24-Jun-41 22-Jul-41
Lake Mason 3585 S CP 29-Jun-41 23-Aug-41
Lake Isabella 3585 S SOO 2-Jul-41 25-Aug-41
Lake Weir 3585 S CP 3-Jul-41 26-Aug-41
Lake Eaton 3585 S SOO 8-Jul-41 27-Aug-41
Lake Chicot 3585 S CP 1-Jul-41 28-Aug-41
Lake Sanford 3585 S CP 4-Jul-41 28-Aug-41
Lake Mendota 3585 S CP 30-Jun-41 30-Aug-41
Clover Vista 4036B S CP 4-Jul-41 2-Sep-41
Fort Gibbon 2585D S SOO 27-Jun-41 3-Sep-41
Clover City 4036B S CP 26-Jun-41 3-Sep-41
Fort Keogh 2585D S SOO 28-Jun-41 4-Sep-41
Clover Summit 4036B S SOO 25-Jun-41 4-Sep-41
Clover Chalet 4036C S CP 27-Jun-41 4-Sep-41
Clover Pond 4036B S SOO 28-Jun-41 5-Sep-41
Clover Field 4036A S CP 23-Jun-41 7-Sep-41
Clover Castle 4036C S CP 24-Jun-41 8-Sep-41
Fort Grant 2585D S SOO 29-May-41 24-Sep-41
Fort Gaines 2585D S SOO 28-May-41 25-Sep-41

The cars that are shown as assigned to CP are assigned to the Mountaineer for sure. The cars assigned to the Soo may be on several other trains; no real way to tell. However, comparing the list with the Official Guide listing above, please note that the CLOVER cars are 8 Sec 5 DBR, the LAKE and FORT cars are 10 Sec DR 2 CPT.

In addition, these were the cars assigned full time, year round, all 8 Sec DR 2 CPT:

Ranger 3979A S SOO 1-Feb-40 21-Jan-42
Centalpina 3979A S CP 1-Sep-39 31-Dec-43
Centburne 3979A S SOO 1-Sep-39 31-Dec-43
Centsalva 3979A S SOO 1-Sep-39 31-Dec-43
Explorer 3979A S CP 1-Sep-39 31-Dec-43
Mountaineer 3979A S CP 28-Aug-39 31-Dec-43
Rancher 3979A S CP 25-Aug-39 31-Dec-43
Trapper 3979A S CP 1-Sep-39 31-Dec-43

There is some debate over where the tourist cars came from, none show in this list except possibly ANDRADE; it's very likely they were CP or Soo company owned cars.

The Pullman cars would have all been painted green at this time.

Dennis Storzek
Big Rock, IL

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