Hi Dick
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Thanks
Dave Manzer
Post re some information on the CPR passenger coaches that
were used on the E&N subsidiary between WW1 and the end of passenger
trains when the CPR switched over to the Budd RDC's. Thanks
Bill
E&N passenger cars WWI to Sept 1955:
WWI to early 1930's the E&N ran wood, truss-rod, passenger cars with
open
platforms (no vestibules) and most were lettered Esquimalt & Nanaimo;
best
source is a combination of the "A Century of Deluxe Railway Cars in
Canada"
for text and some pictures from the BC Archives. Anyone who finds many
pictures could they please let Dave Manzer know. Detail specifications
are
available in the MP 14's that are rosters of all Company equipment.
Several
have been posted on the CP Sig Document Project.
1930's to September 1955 the E&N ran 'Kettle Valley Cars' in terms of
the
coaches, baggage and mail. These coaches were wood cars with
truss-rods,
some with steel under frame although most pictures show both the
truss-rods
and the heavier centre steel supports. They had vestibules. There
were 2
different Parlor cars used on the E&N during this period; the Malahat
and
the Qualicum. Photos of the Malahat are in "Vancouver Island
Railroads",
"More Classic Trains" and the BC Archives. There is one photo of the
Qualicum in "From Abbey to Zorra via Bagdad"
There is an unconfirmed hypothesis that when the steel cars were put on
the
Kettle Valley runs circa early 1930's then the wood cars that used to
run
on the Kettle Valley passenger runs were moved over to the Island. These
vestibule cars bumped the open platform cars into Company (Work)
Service.
The best source for information is the classic W. Gib. Kennedy article
in
Model Railroader entitled the "Kettle Valley Cars". Be advised that the
x-KVR sleeper was never to my knowledge used on the Island and the
Parlor/Observation is only a close approximation to the
Malahat/Qualicum.
These cars were mostly lettered Canadian Pacific.
I have received several photos of E&N passenger cars from this period
from
Gib's son Gord Kennedy. I believe he is still selling scans from his
Dad's
collection. Robert D. Turner's "Vancouver Island Railroads" and "West
of
the Great Divide" has a number of John Newman photos of the passenger
trains. BC Archives also has a number of shots of engines in passenger
service. These shots allow the viewer to see interesting detail further
back in the train.
Photo sources for these cars are largely Stan Styles and Wilbur
Whittaker.
Prints are available for purchase from GTC (Gary Oliver) and Railway
Memories (Dave Shaw) who sell directly and often attend train shows. If
contact information is required please advise.
Typical consist for E&N passenger (Victoria to Parksville) 1946's to
1949
was a steamer or 1949-1955 Baldwin DRS-4-4-1000 (Diesel) with often a
passenger equipped reefer; then a x-KVR RPO, then 2 x-KVR baggage cars;
then
either 2 x-KVR coaches or 1 x-KVR coach and either the Malahat or the
Qualicum.
There was considerable shuffling of cars at Parksville to vary the
consist
appropriately for the Parksville to Port Alberni and Parksville to
Courtenay
runs. Depending on which run the modeler is trying to replicate they
will
need to vary the cars that are included in the passenger train.
Basically
the baggage cars split at Parksville and some shots show the head end
reefer
or boxcar proceeding beyond Parksville but many photos show only the
coach
and baggage cars in the consist.
For modeling purposes there are no ready to run plastic cars that can be
used to satisfactorily model these x-KVR wood cars. For the HO modeler
with
a substantial budget either brass Kettle Valley cars (several sets been
done
by PFM/Van Hobbies) some of the Kirlin produced brass cars will provide
nice
models of these cars and Andy W models provide outstanding models for
these
passenger cars used during this time period. Once again please note
that
the Sleeper in the set wasn't used on the Island and the modeler needs
to
decide if the Parlor/Observation in the set is close enough to the
Malahat/Qualicum.
I am willing to share sources of photos and if I receive permission
from the
photographer or the person with the collection I will assist people to
get
into contact directly in-order to allow them to order their own copies
of
prints. I have copies of some MP 14's that I find very useful to
research
all company equipment especially the passenger equipment. Copies of
the MP
14's are available from men at $8 per issue plus my shipping costs.
I am in the process of developing an annotated bibliography which would
be
available upon request no charge
For specific published sources & page numbers see below: (information
pasted in from attached MS Word file)
Listing by Title of Sources re E&N Passenger Equipment
Books
A Century of Deluxe Railway Cars in Canada, no author cited; Copyright
1983,
Wayner Publications, NY, NY. Pgs 66, 68, 90, 120
Canadian Pacific Diesel Locomotives: The History of a Motive Power
Revolution, Murray W. Dean & David B. Hanna, Copyright 1981, Railfare
Enterprises Ltd. Toronto, Ont. Pgs 20 to 25 for Dieselization with
Baldwin
DRS 4-4-1000's and see photo on pg 24 for consist Parksville to
Courtenay,
Canadian Pacific In the Rockies Volume Six, D.M. Bain, Copyright 1980,
BRMNA, Calgary Alberta. pgs 3, 4, 19 a shot of Baldwin DRS 4-4-1000
E&N had
8000 to 8004 that were passenger equipped and the info that they were
constructed in Kingston is not correct.
Canadian Pacific In the Rockies Volume Eight, D.M. Bain, Copyright 1982,
BRMNA, Calgary Alberta. pgs 3, 4, superb shots of steam and diesel
passenger trains
Canadian Pacific In the Rockies Volume Ten, D.M. Bain, Copyright 1985,
BRMNA, Calgary Alberta. pgs 14 - has info re passenger runs on the E&N,
19 - #5 the E&N Superintendent's Business Car.
Canadian Pacific In Southern British Columbia: The Boundary
Subdivision,
W.G. Kennedy, Copyright 1987, BRMNA, Calgary Alberta. Admittedly not
on the
Island but a clear shot of RPO car 3452 on pg 11, also short Business
car #
22 on pg 12 - E&N had #5 very similar see Jack Work article Dec 19?? &
Jan
19?? MR, pg 14 interesting notes re E&N engines.
Canadian Pacific Railway: Motive Power, Rolling Stock, Capsule History,
Patrick C. Dorion, Copyright 1974, Superior Publishing Co. Seattle, WA.
Pgs
47 - Coach 1094, 73 - Coach 208,
Constructed in Kingston: A History of the Canadian Locomotive Companies
1854
to 1968, Donald R. McQueen and William D. Thomson, Copyright 2000,
Canadian
Railroad Historical Association, Kingston Division, Kingston Ont. Pg
282
text re numbering and manufacturing of DRS 4-4-1000's also group with
steam
generators 8000 - 8004
Diesel Builders, The: Volume Three Baldwin Locomotive Works, John F.
Kirkland, Copyright 1994, Interurban Press, Pasadena CA. Pgs. 165 - 167
text re numbering and manufacturing of DRS 4-4-1000's
From Abbey to Zorra via Bagdad: Canadian Pacific Railway Passenger
Services
in the 1950's, Dale Wilson, Copyright 1980, Nickel Belt Rails, Sudbury,
Ont.
Pgs 28 Qualicum, pg 137 Sept 1949 Official Register of Passenger Train
Equipment listing of the Malahat & Qualicum.
Kettle Valley and its Railways, The: A Pictorial History of Rail
Development
in Southern British Columbia and the Building of the Kettle Valley
Railway,
Hal Riegger, Copyright 1981, Pacific Fast Mail, Edmonds WA. Pictures of
Kettle Valley cars while they were in service on the Kettle.
More Classic Trains, Arthur D. Dubin, Copyright 1974, Interurban Press,
Glendale CA. Pg. 395 for photo of Malahat as delivered to E&N in 1923
Vancouver Island Railroads: 2nd edition, Robert D. Turner, Copyright
1997,
Sono Nis Press, Victoria, BC. Pgs 10, 61, 66, 67
West of the Great Divide: An Illustrated History of the Canadian
Pacific
Railway in British Columbia 1880-1986, Robert D. Turner, Copyright 1987,
Sono Nis Press, Victoria, BC. Pgs 10, 61, 66, 67
Magazine Articles
Kettle Valley, W. Gibson Kennedy, Model Railroader June 1959; modeling,
photos and prototype information
35 foot Business Car Part 1, Jack Work, Model Railroader, December 1956
Business Car: 35 foot of Solid Comfort, Part 2, Jack Work, Model
Railroader
January 1957
Company Documents
(M.P. 14) Summary of Equipment: Compiled and Issued by the Office of
Chief
of Motive Power and Rolling Stock, Issued January 1, 1950, M.P. 14. Pgs
many but see pg 39 for listing of Malahat & Qualicum
MP 14's I have enlarged photocopies of MP 14's for 1937, '41, '44, '47,
'50,
'52, '56 and 1965 available at a cost of $8.00 per issue plus actual
shipping rounded up to nearest dollar. Please note if anyone has
copies of
other MP 14's please let me know because I would be very interested in
acquiring a copy for my own use at least or for distribution, which
would be
ideal.
These resources listed by Dave Manzer, dmanzer@xxxxxxxxx
If people find errors or omissions or if they have additions please let
Dave
Manzer know at dmanzer@xxxxxxxxx
Hope this answers the questions for Bill Turner.
Dave Manzer
