Re: [ConstellationTalk] Research Project

  • From: "sheila saunders" <peacefulcentre@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:31:56 +0000

Not much time to fully elaborate, but will just toss this into the mix: When I worked for John Bradshaw at his national treatment center in LA, we wanted to show insurance companies that it made good financial sense to treat emotional/psychological problems. Our hypothesis was this: If a person's psychological problems were resolved or even addressed, their subsequent use of medical services would diminish. We had 2 groups: 1. those desiring in-patient treatment who were actually admitted, and 2. those desiring in-patient treatment who were not admitted (usually due to insurance denials or other financial considerations). There was a questionnaire given to those admitted and to those not admitted, with follow-ups done 3/6/12 months thereafter, regarding changes in the acuity of their problem and their use of medical servicesduring those periods. The large insurance company BlueCross/BlueShield was funding the study which was being done by grad students in sociology from a local university (Pepperdine).

I would love to create a happier ending, but the truth is, when the study was 3/4 completed, the hospital went bankrupt and the study ended abruptly without anything getting published. However, I think it is still a good design. am with you, Dan. sheila

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<DIV><EM><STRONG><FONT color=#9900cc>Sheila Saunders, RN, MFT </FONT></STRONG></EM></DIV>
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&gt;From: &quot;Chris Walsh&quot; &lt;chrisjwalsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
&gt;To: &lt;ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Research Project - Preliminary Proposal Abstract
&gt;Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:08:04 +1100
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&gt;Hi Dan,
&gt; It is great that you are persevering with this project. It is extremely worthwhile. I was thinking of looking at people who have a family member who have a substance use problem. They could be recruited by approaching people at alanon meetings etc. or through treatment agencies.
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&gt;I don't know what outcome measuring instruments you are thinking of using. It sounds like you have been thinking of measuring outcomes in the index client i.e.the one with the identified problem. I think systemic outcome measures are important i.e. The level of distress in the family or the communication style of the family. I understand there are measures of these sorts of things available. However, I don't know how well validated they are.
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&gt;Another point worth considering is that the first forays into research in a particular area are usually pilot studies. The purpose of these is to test the water. So you don't need to be too obsessive about getting it right at this stage.
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&gt;Hope this is helpful
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&gt;hasta la vista
&gt;Chris Walsh
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&gt;An Australian Constellation Website:
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&gt;   From: Dan Booth Cohen
&gt;   To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
&gt;   Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 2004 3:59 AM
&gt; Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] Research Project - Preliminary Proposal Abstract
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&gt; Thanks to those of you who respond to my message below. From the comments I received it became clear that what I put forward is not going to work. So, I am moving it to the recycling bin and starting over.
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&gt; The question I want to address is whether clients benefit from participating in a Constellation. I recognize the inherent difficulty in finding an answer, and in the deep sense the impossibility of truly knowing. However, as I have pointed out in past postings, the history of the healing and helping professions is littered with remedies that eventually were recognized to be useless or harmful. Thus, I feel a personal responsibility to somehow test whether what it is that I am doing with clients does them any good or not.
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&gt; The part of proposed protocol that I envision keeping is to design a way for a number of practitioners to participate with a minimum amount of extra effort. The part I am eliminating is limiting the presenting issue to grief.
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&gt; · We need a straightforward and lost-cost way to gather a cohort of research subjects.
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&gt;   Â·          We need a baseline to test against.
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&gt; · The subjects sit as the client in a group Constellation session.
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&gt; · We need to test the outcome against the baseline and compare the results to a control group. The test needs to be credible.
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&gt; The problem with grief is it is too limiting in terms of recruiting clients and the outcome measurements are too restrictive.
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&gt;   Here are a couple of other scenarios for your consideration:
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&gt; We advertise for parents of school children with behavioral/discipline issues to participate in a research study. Half of the respondents are wait-listed as a control group. The other half participates in a Constellation workshop. Both groups grant permission for us to submit questionnaires to the school administration. We collect baseline data and outcome date a year later for both groups. The school administrators are not privy to which parents were in the control group or treated group. We then compare the results to see if there are discernable differences in outcome.
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&gt; Another scenario along the same lines would be to draw subjects from a clinic treating pediatric asthma or from therapists who are not psychotherapists, but who treat chronic conditions. This could be cranial-sacral therapists, massage therapists, etc. We divide the subjects as above and collect the baseline and outcome data. As an example, a body therapist might have two clients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. One would setup a Constellation; the other would be wait-listed as a control. Six months afterwards the therapist would complete a questionnaire documenting whether there has been any change or improvement in the symptomology of these two clients.
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&gt; In considering these scenarios ask yourself whether it is something you would participate in. If not, consider what structure of research might be attractive? Or what kind of research would you do if you have the time and resources to pursue it?
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&gt; Thanks again to everyone who responded and even to those who didn’t. Your silence also spoke to me.
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&gt;   Dan
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&gt;   -----Original Message-----
&gt;   From: Dan Booth Cohen [mailto:danbcohen@xxxxxxx]
&gt;   Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:46 PM
&gt;   To: 'ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
&gt; Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] Research Project - Preliminary Proposal Abstract
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&gt;   Constellation Talk Friends and Colleagues -
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&gt; The document below is my preliminary research project proposal abstract. It should be self explanatory.
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&gt; I am soliciting pairs of researchers from Constellation Talk to participate. One member will serve as an evaluator to administer the test instruments. The other will serve as the Constellation facilitator. The team will jointly recruit a cohort of subjects to participate in the study. These will be individuals who are dealing with pathological grief.
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&gt; · Recruit a group of individuals to participate in the study.
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&gt; · Have ½ of them participate in a Constellation workshop. The other ½ will serve as a control group and can be given generic material on grief.
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&gt;   Â·          Re-administer the test instruments in six months.
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&gt; I acknowledge the comments from those who feel that attempts to fit the Constellation process within the confines of scientific psychology will bastardize the process to the detriment of the clients. Outweighing those concerns for me is the need to establish a minimum amount of credibility within the broader professional community. This study will not achieve that goal in itself, but it has the potential to demonstrate the efficacy of the process according to generally accepted standards.
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&gt; This is a preliminary document and I am open to suggestions and modifications.
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&gt; There are several of you who have indicated your interest in participating. I will contact you directly.
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&gt; Ideally, I would like to begin collecting data in September 2005 and complete the longitudinal outcome tests by June of 2006. To accomplish this, we will need to identify the teams, finalize the protocol and schedule the workshops in the next 6-8 months.
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&gt; The budget for this effort is €£¥₣$ 0.00. If this becomes a limiting constraint, I will have to reevaluate. My expectation is that the level of effort will not be prohibitive and our community of facilitators will mutually benefit from having a published study on the benefits of the Constellation process. I will be generous with acknowledgements and co-authorship citations.
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&gt; The more I am immersed in this work, the more I value its worth. (There were two teen suicides in our town the past two weeks. I attended a counseling session for concerned parents at a school auditorium last night. The insights on suicide gained from the Constellation field were wholly absent from the presentation. I went home to my own children feeling particularly grateful.)
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&gt;   Dan
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&gt;   (On-line at www.HiddenSolution.com/abstract.htm)
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&gt; A LONGITUDINAL OUTCOME STUDY OF THE SYSTEMIC CONSTELLATION METHOD FOR TREATING ACUTE GRIEF
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&gt; The purpose of this study is to measure longitudinal outcomes of a single session existentially-oriented therapeutic intervention, known as a Systemic Constellation, on a pathologically grieved adult population.
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&gt; The Systemic Constellation method was first developed by the German philosopher/psychotherapist Bert Hellinger. Though it has roots in European depth psychology and Gestalt therapy, and the American branch of family systems therapy associated with Moreno, Satir and Boszormenyi-Nagy, it differs from conventional psychotherapy in four radical respects: first, the client hardly speaks; second, the process is a singular intervention that is not repeated; third, critical information that serves to reveal hidden entanglements and possible solutions within the system is supplied by surrogates who have no actual knowledge about the family; and fourth, the client’s parents are not blamed for anything.
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&gt; There are several thousand practitioners of the method worldwide, but no English language research has been conducted to assess the efficacy of the treatment. This study aims to be among the first to fill the gap.
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&gt; The lead investigator proposes to recruit several teams of English speaking researchers in different regions of the world to execute the research protocol.
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&gt; The teams will recruit a cohort of subjects who have experienced the death of a spouse or adult child and who are struggling to cope with the aftermath more than one year later. One member of the team will administer the Inventory of Complicated Grief, the Wahler Physical Symptoms Inventory and the Impact of Event Scale at the outset of the study and, again, six months following the subject’s experience of the Systemic Constellation intervention. The other team member will facilitate a Systemic Constellation with a randomly assigned group of subjects. A control group of subjects will not receive treatment.
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