Re: Bohm
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Dear Friends,
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for the reminder of Bohm. He was a pioneer.
I think another way of looking at separation is to consider which overall
planes we are focussing on.
In the physical plane there can be the appearance of separation, but the
electronic or energy plane will have its own separations.
Rather like on your computer screen icons could be in different parts of your
desktop, so there is physical separation, but in the registry in your computer,
in the electronic plane, there is the separation of data in that plane.
I guess if we can understand the energy plane better, then we could better
understand why the system, the program, at a certain time would bring together
previously split data, where the convergence could be explained by the concept
of time-space-shift, and we call it a Constellation Workshop. Then we could
possibly better understand what the system is trying to achieve through the
workshop, us and the venue.
Love
David Mathes
daviddiphotography.com
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Digest #2434
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Excited by Bohm
by "Kim Goode" kimpatsmith
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Re: Excited by Bohm
by "Julio Príncipe"
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Thanking parents
by "Bizden" bizdentitiz
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Re: Thanking parents
by "Robert Grant"
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Re: Remote teaching
by "Michael Reddy" michaeljreddy
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Re: Remote teaching
by "Julio Príncipe"
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:00 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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Just writing up the doctoral research, which used family constellation as part
of the quantitative method. In trying to explain the underlying theory for
family constellations, I again meet with the work of David Bohm. There is a
short article that I just wanted to share, as it is so beautiful. (Thank you
Dan and Michael, for your help and support)
http://www.peterdebruin.net/BOHM/BOHM.htm
With love,
Kim
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
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Thanks a lot, Kim!
I'm very interested in Bohm's theory, and this article helps me in this
process.
Maybe you know about the book called "The Holographic Paradigm" (1982, with
a Ken Wilber's introduction). There's an interview from Reneé Weber to Dr.
Bohm with ideas about time, space, holomovement, etc.
I want to share with you a paragraph that I like (personal translation, the
book I have is in Spanish):
"Bohm: "So, space doesn't separate us (...) it's like saying that there's
two points separated and here's a line made of points that connects them,
what reveals the way we think about their relationship (a real line and
points that are abstractions)
Weber: That delimitates the boundaries of the line.
Bohm: Yes.
Weber: So, it's the other way around.
Bohm: Yes. The line is real and the points are abstractions. So, we say
that there's no separate people. There' s an abstraction that arises when
taking certain traits as abstract and existing by themselves."
big hug from Peru;
Julio
2014-03-19 11:00 GMT-05:00 Kim Goode <bim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Just writing up the doctoral research, which used family constellation as
part of the quantitative method. In trying to explain the underlying theory
for family constellations, I again meet with the work of David Bohm. There
is a short article that I just wanted to share, as it is so beautiful.
(Thank you Dan and Michael, for your help and support)
http://www.peterdebruin.net/BOHM/BOHM.htm
With love,
Kim
Kim Goode
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*"Sleep is comfortable, but awakening is interesting". **Hazrat Inayat
Khan*
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Hi All,
Hope all's well with you.
Ä°'ve been a seeker in constellations since 2003.
A very unfortunate " real life" example is below, on an issue i have much
difficulty in understanding...
Ä°f the belowmentioned "sexually abused daughter and son" comes for a systemic
family constellation, do, say i, as a fascilitator, still ask them to "thank
their parents" and even bow?
Ä°f i do so, How would that really effect their psychological well-being?
Ä° know i had asked a similar question to you at "Connecting Fields", this
May, Dear Dan,
And still can not put this anywhere, Sorry ;)
Warmest Regards,
Bizden Canan, MD
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Mom, dad planned child sex abuse before kids were born
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta were convicted in Orlando; he faces life in prison.
September 12, 2013|By Amy Pavuk, Orlando Sentinel
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta's children were doomed to a life of perverse cruelty
before they were even born.
Jonathan Adleta, a former Marine officer, dreamed of the day he could have
"daddy-daughter sex." After Sarah Adleta became pregnant with a daughter, he
said he would marry her only if she agreed to let him carry out that desire.
When the couple had a son, Sarah Adleta was expected to have sexual encounters
with him.
In an Orlando federal courtroom this week, prosecutors and witnesses
described, in disturbing and graphic detail, the heinous exploitation and abuse
the couple's toddlers endured at the hands of their parents — even after they
divorced.
Jonathan Adleta lived his dream until March, when the FBI received a tip that
his 29-year-old former wife was communicating with a North Carolina man who was
arrested on charges of having sex with a child.
That's when federal authorities began unraveling a cross-country web of sexual
abuse that culminated in convictions for both parents — and could land
25-year-old Jonathan Adleta in prison for life.
Sarah Adleta, a University of Central Florida student, pleaded guilty in May
to two charges of sexual exploitation of a minor. She faces 15 to 30 years in
federal prison and will be sentenced next month. On Thursday, jurors found
Jonathan Adleta guilty of two child-sex charges. He'll be sentenced in December
and faces 10 years to life in prison.
The charges against him stem from abuse that occurred in December, when Sarah
Adleta and the couple's two children traveled to his home in Oklahoma so he
could have sexual contact with his daughter.
But to tell the Adletas' story, prosecutors had to take jurors to the
beginning.
In opening statements, Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Gable characterized
Adleta as a father who had a "sexual appetite" for his own daughter.
Sarah Adleta testified that when she began dating Jonathan in 2008 — she was
living with her family in Oviedo and he in an apartment in the Goldenrod area
— he began showing her stories about fathers and daughters having sex, to
gauge her interest in the possibility.
Their daughter was born in March 2009, and Sarah Adleta became pregnant with
their son not long after.
Sarah Adleta, who testified for several hours this week wearing Orange County
Jail garb, said she initially struggled with the concept and thought Jonathan
Adleta would lose interest in it.
But she loved him, needed his financial security and said she would do
whatever it took to not lose him, she told jurors.
Gable told jurors the couple made sex with their children "part of their
parenting plan."
They married in 2010.
The marine was deployed to Afghanistan, and when he returned, the family moved
to California, where he was stationed. There, his ex-wife said, he had more
sexual contact with the children.
In late 2011, Jonathan Adleta filed for divorce, and Sarah Adleta later
returned to Central Florida. But even with thousands of miles between them, she
allowed her former husband to continue to prey on his daughter electronically
through the videoconference program Skype.
By the spring of 2012, Jonathan Adleta had found a new girlfriend who agreed
to let him victimize her daughter.
The girlfriend, 23-year-old Samantha Bryant — a Texas mother he met on a
dating website — testified this week that she watched as Jonathan Adleta
molested her daughter. On at least one occasion, she took pictures of the
assault.
Bryant, who was visibly shaken and cried throughout much of her testimony,
said Jonathan Adleta asked her to write fantasy-type stories about him having
sex with his daughter and her daughter. She did. She also complied when he
asked Bryant to perform sex acts on her own daughter.
Bryant was eventually charged with and pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting
her daughter and allowing Jonathan Adleta to sexually abuse the girl.
In December, Bryant and her two children spent Christmas in Oklahoma with
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta and their two children. Sarah Adleta told jurors that
there, her former husband sexually abused their daughter in his bedroom and
called her in to watch.
Sarah Adleta, who was emotionless during much of her testimony, began to choke
up as she explained what she witnessed.
"She seemed very resistant," she said of her toddler, adding that the child
was "really upset" and "frightened."
But Sarah rendered no aid to her crying girl.
Weeks later, after she and the children returned to Oviedo, Jonathan Adleta
suggested that his former wife should find another man to abuse their daughter
so she would become comfortable with the sex acts, to prevent her from
'freaking out" in the future.
During that time, Sarah Adleta was communicating with Aaron Dixon, a North
Carolina man who was later arrested on child-sex charges in an unrelated case.
She told jurors she performed sex acts on the children while Dixon watched via
Skype.
In her closing argument Thursday, Gable told jurors that the last time the
Adletas spoke, they discussed Sarah Adleta's taking their daughter to Dixon so
he could sexually abuse the girl.
Jonathan Adleta, the prosecutor said, liked the idea.
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Mom, dad planned child sex abuse before kids were born
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta were convicted in Orlando; he faces life in prison.
September 12, 2013|By Amy Pavuk, Orlando Sentinel
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta's children were doomed to a life of perverse cruelty
before they were even born.
Jonathan Adleta, a former Marine officer, dreamed of the day he could have
"daddy-daughter sex." After Sarah Adleta became pregnant with a daughter, he
said he would marry her only if she agreed to let him carry out that desire.
When the couple had a son, Sarah Adleta was expected to have sexual encounters
with him.
In an Orlando federal courtroom this week, prosecutors and witnesses
described, in disturbing and graphic detail, the heinous exploitation and abuse
the couple's toddlers endured at the hands of their parents — even after they
divorced.
Jonathan Adleta lived his dream until March, when the FBI received a tip that
his 29-year-old former wife was communicating with a North Carolina man who was
arrested on charges of having sex with a child.
That's when federal authorities began unraveling a cross-country web of sexual
abuse that culminated in convictions for both parents — and could land
25-year-old Jonathan Adleta in prison for life.
Sarah Adleta, a University of Central Florida student, pleaded guilty in May
to two charges of sexual exploitation of a minor. She faces 15 to 30 years in
federal prison and will be sentenced next month. On Thursday, jurors found
Jonathan Adleta guilty of two child-sex charges. He'll be sentenced in December
and faces 10 years to life in prison.
The charges against him stem from abuse that occurred in December, when Sarah
Adleta and the couple's two children traveled to his home in Oklahoma so he
could have sexual contact with his daughter.
But to tell the Adletas' story, prosecutors had to take jurors to the
beginning.
In opening statements, Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Gable characterized
Adleta as a father who had a "sexual appetite" for his own daughter.
Sarah Adleta testified that when she began dating Jonathan in 2008 — she was
living with her family in Oviedo and he in an apartment in the Goldenrod area
— he began showing her stories about fathers and daughters having sex, to
gauge her interest in the possibility.
Their daughter was born in March 2009, and Sarah Adleta became pregnant with
their son not long after.
Sarah Adleta, who testified for several hours this week wearing Orange County
Jail garb, said she initially struggled with the concept and thought Jonathan
Adleta would lose interest in it.
But she loved him, needed his financial security and said she would do
whatever it took to not lose him, she told jurors.
Gable told jurors the couple made sex with their children "part of their
parenting plan."
They married in 2010.
The marine was deployed to Afghanistan, and when he returned, the family moved
to California, where he was stationed. There, his ex-wife said, he had more
sexual contact with the children.
In late 2011, Jonathan Adleta filed for divorce, and Sarah Adleta later
returned to Central Florida. But even with thousands of miles between them, she
allowed her former husband to continue to prey on his daughter electronically
through the videoconference program Skype.
By the spring of 2012, Jonathan Adleta had found a new girlfriend who agreed
to let him victimize her daughter.
The girlfriend, 23-year-old Samantha Bryant — a Texas mother he met on a
dating website — testified this week that she watched as Jonathan Adleta
molested her daughter. On at least one occasion, she took pictures of the
assault.
Bryant, who was visibly shaken and cried throughout much of her testimony,
said Jonathan Adleta asked her to write fantasy-type stories about him having
sex with his daughter and her daughter. She did. She also complied when he
asked Bryant to perform sex acts on her own daughter.
Bryant was eventually charged with and pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting
her daughter and allowing Jonathan Adleta to sexually abuse the girl.
In December, Bryant and her two children spent Christmas in Oklahoma with
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta and their two children. Sarah Adleta told jurors that
there, her former husband sexually abused their daughter in his bedroom and
called her in to watch.
Sarah Adleta, who was emotionless during much of her testimony, began to choke
up as she explained what she witnessed.
"She seemed very resistant," she said of her toddler, adding that the child
was "really upset" and "frightened."
But Sarah rendered no aid to her crying girl.
Weeks later, after she and the children returned to Oviedo, Jonathan Adleta
suggested that his former wife should find another man to abuse their daughter
so she would become comfortable with the sex acts, to prevent her from
'freaking out" in the future.
During that time, Sarah Adleta was communicating with Aaron Dixon, a North
Carolina man who was later arrested on child-sex charges in an unrelated case.
She told jurors she performed sex acts on the children while Dixon watched via
Skype.
In her closing argument Thursday, Gable told jurors that the last time the
Adletas spoke, they discussed Sarah Adleta's taking their daughter to Dixon so
he could sexually abuse the girl.
Jonathan Adleta, the prosecutor said, liked the idea.
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ask them to "thank their parents" and even bow
Dear Bizden and All,
Until the flow of love is restored one is by definition not a free soul.
Asking a client or representative to bow prematurely to his or her abuser
is a potentially re-traumatising error. Asking or instructing someone to
bow is already sailing too close to the wind. A hint or a suggestion might
be a more sensitive, respectful and compassionate approach – if and when it
is appropriate.
In your example it is the perpetrator parent representative who may contact
regret, contrition and loss during the constellation and possibly express
it with a bow.
Actual feelings of resentment, anger, hurt, etc. need to be given space. In
the compassionate wisdom of the field slowly there may well come a point
where the past separates from the present, where choicelessness and
powerlessness is recognised and accepted. That is the place, beyond fear,
where reconciliation and gratitude for life may emerge, perhaps restoring
the flow of love.
Best wishes to all,
Robert
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Bizden <bizdentitiz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi All,
Hope all's well with you.
Ä°'ve been a seeker in constellations since 2003.
A very unfortunate " real life" example is below, on an issue i have much
difficulty in understanding...
Ä°f the belowmentioned "sexually abused daughter and son" comes for a
systemic family constellation, do, say i, as a fascilitator, still ask them
to "thank their parents" and even bow?
Ä°f i do so, How would that really effect their psychological well-being?
Ä° know i had asked a similar question to you at "Connecting Fields", this
May, Dear Dan,
And still can not put this anywhere, Sorry ;)
Warmest Regards,
Bizden Canan, MD
--------
Mom, dad planned child sex abuse before kids were born
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta were convicted in Orlando; he faces life in
prison.
-
September 12, 2013|By Amy Pavuk, Orlando Sentinel
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta's children were doomed to a life of perverse
cruelty before they were even born.
Jonathan Adleta, a former Marine officer, dreamed of the day he could have
"daddy-daughter sex." After Sarah Adleta became pregnant with a daughter,
he said he would marry her only if she agreed to let him carry out that
desire. When the couple had a son, Sarah Adleta was expected to have sexual
encounters with him.
In an Orlando federal courtroom this week, prosecutors and witnesses
described, in disturbing and graphic detail, the heinous exploitation and
abuse the couple's toddlers endured at the hands of their parents — even
after they divorced.
Jonathan Adleta lived his dream until March, when the FBI received a tip
that his 29-year-old former wife was communicating with a North Carolina
man who was arrested on charges of having sex with a child.
That's when federal authorities began unraveling a cross-country web of
sexual abuse that culminated in convictions for both parents — and could
land 25-year-old Jonathan Adleta in prison for life.
Sarah Adleta, a University of Central Florida student, pleaded guilty in
May to two charges of sexual exploitation of a minor. She faces 15 to 30
years in federal prison and will be sentenced next month. On Thursday,
jurors found Jonathan Adleta guilty of two child-sex charges. He'll be
sentenced in December and faces 10 years to life in prison.
The charges against him stem from abuse that occurred in December, when
Sarah Adleta and the couple's two children traveled to his home in Oklahoma
so he could have sexual contact with his daughter.
But to tell the Adletas' story, prosecutors had to take jurors to the
beginning.
In opening statements, Assistant U.S. Attorney Karen Gable characterized
Adleta as a father who had a "sexual appetite" for his own daughter.
Sarah Adleta testified that when she began dating Jonathan in 2008 — she
was living with her family in Oviedo and he in an apartment in the
Goldenrod area — he began showing her stories about fathers and daughters
having sex, to gauge her interest in the possibility.
Their daughter was born in March 2009, and Sarah Adleta became pregnant
with their son not long after.
Sarah Adleta, who testified for several hours this week wearing Orange
County Jail garb, said she initially struggled with the concept and
thought Jonathan Adleta would lose interest in it.
But she loved him, needed his financial security and said she would do
whatever it took to not lose him, she told jurors.
Gable told jurors the couple made sex with their children "part of their
parenting plan."
They married in 2010.
The marine was deployed to Afghanistan, and when he returned, the family
moved to California, where he was stationed. There, his ex-wife said, he
had more sexual contact with the children.
In late 2011, Jonathan Adleta filed for divorce, and Sarah Adleta later
returned to Central Florida. But even with thousands of miles between them,
she allowed her former husband to continue to prey on his daughter
electronically through the videoconference program Skype.
By the spring of 2012, Jonathan Adleta had found a new girlfriend who
agreed to let him victimize her daughter.
The girlfriend, 23-year-old Samantha Bryant — a Texas mother he met on a
dating website — testified this week that she watched as Jonathan Adleta
molested her daughter. On at least one occasion, she took pictures of the
assault.
Bryant, who was visibly shaken and cried throughout much of her testimony,
said Jonathan Adleta asked her to write fantasy-type stories about him
having sex with his daughter and her daughter. She did. She also complied
when he asked Bryant to perform sex acts on her own daughter.
Bryant was eventually charged with and pleaded guilty to sexually
assaulting her daughter and allowing Jonathan Adleta to sexually abuse the
girl.
In December, Bryant and her two children spent Christmas in Oklahoma with
Jonathan and Sarah Adleta and their two children. Sarah Adleta told jurors
that there, her former husband sexually abused their daughter in his
bedroom and called her in to watch.
Sarah Adleta, who was emotionless during much of her testimony, began to
choke up as she explained what she witnessed.
"She seemed very resistant," she said of her toddler, adding that the
child was "really upset" and "frightened."
But Sarah rendered no aid to her crying girl.
Weeks later, after she and the children returned to Oviedo, Jonathan
Adleta suggested that his former wife should find another man to abuse
their daughter so she would become comfortable with the sex acts, to
prevent her from 'freaking out" in the future.
During that time, Sarah Adleta was communicating with Aaron Dixon, a North
Carolina man who was later arrested on child-sex charges in an unrelated
case. She told jurors she performed sex acts on the children while Dixon
watched via Skype.
In her closing argument Thursday, Gable told jurors that the last time the
Adletas spoke, they discussed Sarah Adleta's taking their daughter to Dixon
so he could sexually abuse the girl.
Jonathan Adleta, the prosecutor said, liked the idea.
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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Hi Steve,
Really glad to hear that constellation teaching is beginning to show up in
this context. :-)
I've been teaching teleclasses around family constellation work for 3 years
now. Constellations Core Concepts is 7, 90min sessions based on my book HEALTH,
HAPPINESS, & FAMILY CONSTELLATIONS, which is a somewhat more conceptual look at
Family Constellations than most books on the subject. I am a former cogntiive
scientist who slowly evolved into a shaman and healer, so I stil enjoy things
like naming techniques, trying to create guidlines for the process that make
sense, etc.
I am careful always to make it clear that I do not feel conceptual
descriptions are anything but guideposts to an experiential process that cannot
be contained in words or even that well understood at this point.
In addtion, I teach also a class on Home Altar Constellations (described in Ch
4 of the book), which are a slower, iterative kind of constellation that takes
place over time using household objects and a tabletop altar. And then I teach
a teleclass that explains and gives training to facilitators in how to conduct
various kinds of remote constellations via Phone or Skype. The different ways
of doing this depend on the technical skills and visualization skills of both
the facilitator and the client.
Descriptions of these classes are under menu items "I Offer>Teleclasses" on my
website, or in a catalogue here
http://www.reddyworks.com/images/pdf/TeleclassPlannerAllPages1.pdf
You can also download my Poster Presentation on Home Altar Constellations from
the 2013 Seattle Constellation Conference here
http://www.reddyworks.com/images/pdf/HomeAltarPoster1.pdf
Finally, there are three efforts that I know of to create an online shared
image space for doing remote constellations. The most advanced of these is
available in Beta still at no charge at
http://coachingspaces.com/
This is a fully 3 dimensional space in which either client or facilitator can
manipulate the figures. This requires some training for the facilitator and at
the same time a client who is comfortable with technology.
Doing one on one constellations remotely, or doing constellaitons with a group
who are teleconferenced requires in my opinion additional practice and skill
sets beyond our traditional, in person, one-on-one or group workshop formats.
However, in good hands they do work very well. At this point, since I live in
an area of the US where workshops are very hard to keep going, remote
constellations constitute the bulk of my practice. I believe they have also
been the lynchpin of Dan Booth Cohen's practice as well.
I'd be happy to chat with you if you thought it might help you in preparing
your course. And again, I'm most happy to see something like this happening.
Sincerely,
Michael
Michael Reddy, PhD, CPC, ELI-MP
michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 610 469 7588
www.reddyworks.com
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Family Constellations | Core Energy Coaching | EFT | Shamanism
On Mar 16, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Steve Vinay Gunther wrote:
I have recently taken on the position of director of a Masters in Spiritual
Psychology course at Ryokan College, in LA. The college runs MFT courses,
and all teaching is online. This is a bit new for me.
I am putting a unit on Constellations into the curriculum. But that means
its going to be taught through a 4 hour online teaching session, plus
readings, and online discussion between students.
I am a bit daunted, as obviously I don’t just want to give them the theory,
but its a bit strange, in terms of how to do something experiential with a
group of people, each sitting on their individual computer.
If anyone has any experience of this kind of thing, I would be interested in
hearing…
Vinay
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I'm so glad for so many experiences and resources!
What a blessing is this Community!
Thanks Vinay and friends;
Julio
PS.- Michael, your CoachingSpace looks terrific!
2014-03-19 11:29 GMT-05:00 Michael Reddy <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Steve,
Really glad to hear that constellation teaching is beginning to show up in
this context. :-)
I've been teaching teleclasses around family constellation work for 3
years now. Constellations Core Concepts is 7, 90min sessions based on my
book HEALTH, HAPPINESS, & FAMILY CONSTELLATIONS, which is a somewhat more
conceptual look at Family Constellations than most books on the subject. I
am a former cogntiive scientist who slowly evolved into a shaman and
healer, so I stil enjoy things like naming techniques, trying to create
guidlines for the process that make sense, etc.
I am careful always to make it clear that I do not feel conceptual
descriptions are anything but guideposts to an experiential process that
cannot be contained in words or even that well understood at this point.
In addtion, I teach also a class on Home Altar Constellations (described
in Ch 4 of the book), which are a slower, iterative kind of constellation
that takes place over time using household objects and a tabletop altar.
And then I teach a teleclass that explains and gives training to
facilitators in how to conduct various kinds of remote constellations via
Phone or Skype. The different ways of doing this depend on the technical
skills and visualization skills of both the facilitator and the client.
Descriptions of these classes are under menu items "I Offer>Teleclasses"
on my website, or in a catalogue here
http://www.reddyworks.com/images/pdf/TeleclassPlannerAllPages1.pdf
You can also download my Poster Presentation on Home Altar Constellations
from the 2013 Seattle Constellation Conference here
http://www.reddyworks.com/images/pdf/HomeAltarPoster1.pdf
Finally, there are three efforts that I know of to create an online shared
image space for doing remote constellations. The most advanced of these is
available in Beta still at no charge at
http://coachingspaces.com/
This is a fully 3 dimensional space in which either client or facilitator
can manipulate the figures. This requires some training for the
facilitator and at the same time a client who is comfortable with
technology.
Doing one on one constellations remotely, or doing constellaitons with a
group who are teleconferenced requires in my opinion additional practice
and skill sets beyond our traditional, in person, one-on-one or group
workshop formats. However, in good hands they do work very well. At this
point, since I live in an area of the US where workshops are very hard to
keep going, remote constellations constitute the bulk of my practice. I
believe they have also been the lynchpin of Dan Booth Cohen's practice as
well.
I'd be happy to chat with you if you thought it might help you in
preparing your course. And again, I'm most happy to see something like
this happening.
Sincerely,
Michael
*Michael Reddy, PhD, CPC, ELI-MP*
michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 610 469 7588
*www.reddyworks.com <http://www.reddyworks.com/>*
*Relieving Chronic Emotional/Physical Suffering using*
*Family Constellations | Core Energy Coaching | EFT | Shamanism*
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* <http://www.reddyworks.com/reddy-writes/michaels-books>*
On Mar 16, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Steve Vinay Gunther wrote:
I have recently taken on the position of director of a Masters in
Spiritual Psychology course at Ryokan College, in LA. The college runs MFT
courses, and all teaching is online. This is a bit new for me.
I am putting a unit on Constellations into the curriculum. But that means
its going to be taught through a 4 hour online teaching session, plus
readings, and online discussion between students.
I am a bit daunted, as obviously I don't just want to give them the
theory, but its a bit strange, in terms of how to do something experiential
with a group of people, each sitting on their individual computer.
If anyone has any experience of this kind of thing, I would be interested
in hearing...
Vinay
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