Ok, Thanks Elaine & Russ.. that helps AND confuses...these two systems are in no way related or connected? OTOH, they're both on the Rochester NY leg of Road Runner.. I guess it could be something on their end?? ( He says, crossing fingers...and anything else that will cross?!?!? Tanks guys, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Blakeman To: computertalkshop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: [CTS] Re: Internet problems MSN, MSN Messenger and Hotmail all work fine here -----Original Message----- From: computertalkshop-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:computertalkshop-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bruce Eddy Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:33 AM To: computertalkshop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [CTS] Internet problems Hi guys? Are any of you all experiencing this... MSN page will not load, Msn Messenger won't load, Windows update won't load..some but not all MS pages won't load. Hotmail will not work , in the web page or in DL's thru Outlook Express? I've got my own and another system displaying these problems for a full day now...No emails as to something net-wide so I'm wondering if it's just these systems or what? TIA, Bruce