Some have asked why I have such an axe to grind w/proprietary CAD programs/companies even though I claim to like or even love a couple of them. Here's a rant from about a year ago, re: Revit. Admittedly, I was pissed at the time, but I think it still sums up my disillusion fairly well... Enjoy, alt.cad.revit >> Revit answers "directly" on 2 Jan '02... Subject: Revit answers "directly" on 2 Jan '02... Date: 25 Feb 2002 21:57:03 -0500 From: "John K" <john_kosty@xxxxxxxxx> Newsgroups: alt.cad.revit <<snip>> ...3. Have your company's founders ever openly discussed what we like to call the "What would be our price to 'go away'?" -- Not trying to act like a smart-ass here, we're quite serious. At some point, I can envision a rep from Autodesk showing up with a suitcase full of money and asking nicely for you guys to leave the playing field. I expect to see lots of FUD on the web on this very same topic. I would like to be able to give our boss a well-thought-out answer because he got burned several years ago when Arris left the UNIX platform. We like what we've seen thus far and are seriously considering a phase-out of our current setup. RSVP & thanks, John K And their response: <<snip>> Subject: RE: Ping... [Quick question] Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:41:05 -0500 John, That's a fair question. Rather than bore you with a treatise on the AEC CAD market, here are some facts to ponder. 1. OUR FOUNDERS HELPED START AND THEN FUELED PTC'S DOMINANACE IN THE MECHANICAL/MANUFACTURING MARKET: Leonid Raiz and Irwin Jungreis were part of the handful of thinktanks that started Parametric Technology Corporation's rise to stardom. They are trained mathematicians and founded a new type of math called parametrics. Once they understood the power of this invention, it was to be an obvious aid to anyone or any software program that must keep track of objects and the relationships of these objects to one another. Rather than taking this invention to an established company, selling it and retiring at a young age, they stuck with PTC. That single invention launched a product called Pro/Engineer. Right now PTC is a multi-billion dollar company and is the defacto standard for manufacturing engineers. (Interestingly enough, once PTC started kicking the crap out of Autodesk, Autodesk "discovered" the AEC market and started working on what would end up being ADT....which they claim to be what...parametric. It's not in the slightest.) So, in essence, rather than fight something that is clearly superior, Autodesk chose to run. 2. PART OF OUR MONEY COMES FROM A FEW VENTURE PARTNERS, NOTABLY DASSAULT SYTEMS: Dassault Systems is the #1 maker of CAD products in Europe and has beaten Autodesk in nearly every arena except AEC. It just so happens that while Autodesk was sleeping, Dassault bought the code for the "kernel" that Autodesk has used to build every version of AutoCAD right out from under them. It is the essence of the product. Right now, Dassault accepts millions of dollars a year from Autodesk to give Autodesk the rights to use the engine to their own software!! Rather than developing their own architectural software, Dassault is funding Leonid and Irwin's proven genius against Autodesk. You see, it's not as simple as Revit deciding to sell, we would have to run it by the board, which has Autodesk killers on it. 3. WE DON'T NEED TO: I was the second salesperson hired at Revit. I have watched it grow from a group of developers to an industry force. We were so immediately successful in the US during the summer, that we opened up shop in London and started selling the U.K. and Europe in the fall. By last spring we had set up distribution channels in the Middle East and Africa. This past fall we expanded to Australia and the Far East. This is no garage operation. It's been exciting to watch! 4: I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY TRIED: Simple answer from us....laughter! We are determined to go public and become the defacto standard in the architectural industry. Despite architects in love with the status quo, we have grown at an inspiring pace. We are mentioned in the AEC CAD press right alongside of companies that have been putting out software for 15 years. If we are comparable (perish that thought!) in two years of selling, what will we be in another two?! We have already seen firms large and small use Revit to much success both in the US and abroad. Success aside, Revit is making them more money with less tedium. It is allowing them to explore more design alternatives in the same amount of time and is giving their consultants the raw data from which to extract the information they need to actually get things in the ground. Revit is allowing the architect to once again be the "master builder", who has all the the data on hand. If I spent a few more minutes at this, I'm sure I'd have a few more points for you, but I think this is enough for now. By the way, take a bow. The VP of Client Services answered your questions. Imagine getting anyone with a title at any other software company to pay attention! That is just one example of why we are different and why we are successful. David D. Northup Regional Manager - Southeast U.S. Revit Technology Corporation OK, the shock has worn off and I'll likely hold onto my (personal) subscription for the moment but all bets are off since my CAD manager and the owner of the firm heard the news... jk __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com