Andy, your messages from the list to you are bouncing and so is anything i send you. this has been the case for quite some time. i'm hoping you read this in the arcives (you said you were reading them) because i have no other way to contact you. the aol address is not working. if necessary drop me a note in alt.cad, i go there a lot. -- Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS, and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ //www.freelists.org/list/cad-linux