[brailleblaster] Re: Installer packages
- From: "Vic Beckley" <vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 13:09:49 -0400
John,
It is hard to give the exact link to the Java download someone needs because
the download links are specific to a given version. You would be locking
anyone who downloaded from the given links to a certain version of Java, not
the newest. In the pre_install.txt file I sent you earlier I just gave the
link to the download page for all operating systems. The user can then
choose their OS. This also eliminates the need to have separate files for
32-bit and 64-bit installers. If this isn't acceptable just let me know and
I will change it.
Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
Vic
E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:04 PM
To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Installer packages
If possible it would be good to have the pre_installer.txt contain a
direct URL for downloading and installing the appropriate version of
Java. This will require separate pre_installer.txt files for 32 and 64
bits.
John
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 02:40:09PM -0500, Scott Berry wrote:
> why couldn't you just give us a url for downloading from the site. John
> I really don't like the idea of making the end user do the java install
> because i don't like too many prereqs getting in the way this is very
> confusing even for myself.
>
> On 6/29/2012 14:23, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >Hi Scott and Vic,
> >
> >How about if you two work on the pre_installer.txt and thankyou.txt for
> >now? I don't think the installer should automatically run BrailleBlaster
> >when it is finished. That could lead to some puzzling results if the
> >user doesn't have Java. The pre_installer.txt file could give a URL for
> >the user to download Java if needed. I think it would be better to tell
> >them that if BrailleBlaster doesn't run they need Java and should go to
> >the BrailleBlaster website to get it. The site can contain URLs for
> >downloading and installing the appropriate JRE.
> >
> >For the moment I think it is better to send proposed scripts and other
> >files to the list as attachments. Enabling someone to upload files to
> >the central repository on Googecode would require giving them commit
> >privileges, and it isn't clear who would need them after the installer
> >work is finished.
> >
> >John
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:25:15PM -0500, Scott Berry wrote:
> >>Okay well you tell me what you want or need me to do and we'll go from
> >>there.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 6/29/2012 12:10, Vic Beckley wrote:
> >>>Scott,
> >>>
> >>>I will do whatever John wants us to do. I don't mind working together
to
> >>>get it done.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
> >>>
> >>>Vic
> >>>E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Berry
> >>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 12:52 PM
> >>>To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Installer packages
> >>>
> >>>Well I can do the java stuff if we decide that we want to download that
> >>>and submit the changes to you then al you have to do is implement the
> >>>code within the actual installer. I could actually write the code for
> >>>the downloading and be fine with that. I'd like to see you be in
charge
> >>>of the installer and I'll do the things you can't does that sound fair
> >>>Vic?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 6/29/2012 11:27, Vic Beckley wrote:
> >>>>Hello Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>>I think this is just making the installer a lot more complicated. If
> >>>>everyone thinks these types of things should be included, somebody
with
> >>>>programming experience will probably have to take over the installer
> >>>>packages. I think that is beyond me.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
> >>>>
> >>>>Vic
> >>>>E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
> >>>>Whapples
> >>>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 12:19 PM
> >>>>To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Installer packages
> >>>>
> >>>>It certainly seems reasonable that the installer would offer to
install
> >>>>java for the user. However I would be very reluctant to have it that
the
> >>>>installer would install java without letting the user know, it feels
> >>>>wrong to install software the user has not agreed to installing.
> >>>>
> >>>>However, an alternative would be to have a bundled JVM. What I mean by
> >>>>that is a JVM in the BrailleBlaster directory and only used by
> >>>>BrailleBlaster. This is slightly different as Java then is part of the
> >>>>bundled dependencies, it becomes part of BrailleBlaster, the user will
> >>>>not see that additional stuff has been installed (eg. it will not be
in
> >>>>add/remove programmes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Michael Whapples
> >>>>On 29/06/2012 17:07, Scott Berry wrote:
> >>>>>Vic,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Under the support url if John is okay with this we should have the
> >>>>>email list subscription link there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Also at any time we can also use a download plug in which I have on
my
> >>>>>system here. So I( am wondering if we shouldn't check for Java
before
> >>>>>we even install. This way we don't have to tell everyone "Grab Java"
> >>>>>we'll just download it if we don't have it and if we do have it
> >>>>>wonderful. Comments please?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On 6/29/2012 08:36, Vic Beckley wrote:
> >>>>>>Here you go!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Vic
> >>>>>>E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott
Berry
> >>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:28 AM
> >>>>>>To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Installer packages
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Yes pjlease.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On 6/29/2012 06:47 AM, Vic Beckley wrote:
> >>>>>>>Scott,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>That would be fine if you want to look at it too and offer your
> >>>>>>>thoughts.
> >>>>>>>Would you like to see what I have come up with so far?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Vic
> >>>>>>>E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott
Berry
> >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 5:02 PM
> >>>>>>>To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Installer packages
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Vic,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>AIf you don't mind maybe we can both look at the script together
and
> >>>>>>>I'll help you out where needed if you like.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On 6/28/2012 14:06, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>>>>>>>Hi Vic,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Here are answers to both of your messages. The publisher is
jointly
> >>>>>>>>ViewPlus Technologies and Abilitiessoft.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Yes, this script is only for Windows. I'm trying to get
information
> >>>>>>>>for
> >>>>>>>>an installer for the Mac.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Setting the path to brailleblaster/dist is a good idea. One
problem
> >>>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>>that the programData directory may contain binary files which
> >>>>>>>>aren't in
> >>>>>>>>the repository, such as font files. This isn't a problem at the
> >>>>>>>>moment,
> >>>>>>>>but in the future we will have to make sure they are there.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>The script in the repository will be sort of a canonical script
that
> >>>>>>>>people can modify for their own installations if they want to
create
> >>>>>>>>installers.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>The preinstall and thank you files should be pretty simple. I'll
> >>>>>>>>thinkk
> >>>>>>>>about them. Look for them in the repository.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:10:24PM -0400, Vic Beckley wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>John,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>This script is strictly for Windows, right? What other
> >>>>>>>>>architectures
> >>>>>>will
> >>>>>>>it
> >>>>>>>>>work on?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>You probably should create the pre_install.txt and thank_you.txt
> >>>>>>>>>files
> >>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>>>push them to the installers folder in the repository.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>It might be a problem having just one script if several people
are
> >>>>>>>>>going
> >>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>use it. The paths may vary slightly. I have mine set up in
> >>>>>>>>>c:\bb\dist
> >>>>>>>>>instead of c:\brailleblaster\dist. I can change this if it is
> >>>>>>>>>necessary.
> >>>>>>>If
> >>>>>>>>>I were to maintain the packages for Windows I would only have to
> >>>>>>>>>create
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>script for both 64-bit and 32-bit once. They would remain
constant.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I will create a script and send it to you for your approval
before
> >>>>>>>>>I
> >>>>>>>>>actually create the packages. I was surprised how quickly the
> >>>>>>>>>packages
> >>>>>>do
> >>>>>>>>>create, though.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Are you going to try to get in touch with TJ before doing this?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Let me know if you have any other recommendations pertaining to
> >>>>>>>>>this.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Vic
> >>>>>>>>>E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>[mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
> >>>>>>>>>Boyer
> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:23 PM
> >>>>>>>>>To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: Installer packages
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Hi Vic,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Unless TJ objects, I think it would be great if you made the
actual
> >>>>>>>>>installers, since you can do both 32 bits and 64 bits. It would
be
> >>>>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>>>good idea to use more #define statements at the beginning of the
> >>>>>>>>>script, to minimize the places where changes are needed for
> >>>>>>>>>architectures and new releases. We also need file names that
> >>>>>>>>>distinguish
> >>>>>>>>>clearly between 32 and 64 bit packages. Hopefuly we can have just
> >>>>>>>>>one
> >>>>>>>>>script and change the value of a #define or two. File names of
the
> >>>>>>>>>installers should be like brailleblaster_2012.1_win_64.exe
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>The installers will be too big to send as attachments. You will
> >>>>>>>>>have to
> >>>>>>>>>upload them somewhere and then I can download them and put them
on
> >>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>website.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 03:33:50AM -0400, Vic Beckley wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>John,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>If you would like, I can take over creating and managing the
> >>>>>>>>>>installer
> >>>>>>>>>>files. Would that be OK with TJ? I don't want to horn in on what
> >>>>>>>>>>he
> >>>>>>>>>started.
> >>>>>>>>>>If so, I will need some more information from you before
creating
> >>>>>>>>>>them.
> >>>>>>>>>Just
> >>>>>>>>>>let me know.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Best regards from Ohio, U.S.A.,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Vic
> >>>>>>>>>>E-mail: vic.beckley3@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
> >>>>>>>>>Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>>>>>>>>Madison, Wisconsin USA
> >>>>>>>>>Developing software for people with disabilities
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Have a beautiful day
> >>Scott Berry
> >>Msn: electronicman1960
> >>Skype me at: scottbb1973
> >>E-mail: scottbb1973@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
>
>
> --
> Have a beautiful day
> Scott Berry
> Msn: electronicman1960
> Skype me at: scottbb1973
> E-mail: scottbb1973@xxxxxxxxx
>
--
John J. Boyer, Executive Director
GodTouches Digital Ministry, Inc.
http://www.godtouches.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Peace, Love, Service
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