Dear Sharon, There are two possible ways to preserve page breaks that are caught in the initial and closing blocks of formatting code, you will need to use the Braille Note's "Ascii" feature to find the page break using Ascii value 012. 1. Locate each page break and delete the data between them. or, 2. You could count the number of page breaks up to the beginning of the real text and then delete the initial block as before. Then you could insert the same number of page breaks before the start of the real text. If there are page breaks following the real text then the same procedure would apply. You may need to look up the Braille Note manual to see how to enable Ascii codes and what code to use to enter ascii values into the find command. I use ctrl-dots 3-5 but your system may be different. All the best, Cearbhall "Good design enables - Bad design disables" Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxx _____ From: Sharon [mailto:mt281820@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 14 August 2008 12:17 To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: editing braille note question But we need to preserve page breaks, so doing the txt thing wouldn't help with that. So just delete everything at the beginning and end? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Cearbhall O Meadhra [mailto:cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:43 AM To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: editing braille note question Dear Sharon, An RTF file contains the formatting characters for font, line spacing, page layout, etc. as a bundle of control characters at the beginning and end of the file. This can be quite a large block of code amounting to a page in length! Generally, I have found that the text itself is further down the file after all the formatting codes. If the Braille Note is set to read line by line you might miss text that has no carriage returns in it. For this reason I would use the search utility in Braille Note to find a common word like "the" or "and". When one of these words has been found, it is a matter of back-tracking word by word to find the beginning of the text. Setting a mark at the beginning of the real text, I would then go to the beginning of the document and delete all the formatting code from the beginning of the file to the marked position. Next, I would go to the end of the document and search backwards for the same common word and this time search forward to the last word of real text. A delete all from here to the end of the document will remove all the formatting code that follows the text. There will still be an occasional control character in the body of the real text but these are rarely more than one character or a modifier for a special character in a non-English language. All of this is only useful if your friend can only access the file as an ".RTF" file. If he or she has access to the original file as an MS Word file or ".PDF" document, they would have an option to save it as "plain text". then all the control characters would be completely removed and only the embedded carriage returns would be saved. This is the cleanest way to take a book into the Braille Note for proof reading. I hope this comment is of use to your work. All the best, Cearbhall "Good design enables - Bad design disables" Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxx _____ From: Sharon [mailto:mt281820@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 13 August 2008 23:27 To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] editing braille note question I am working with a fellow Bookshare volunteer who wants to validate a book. She copied the book from the computer to her braille note. It's an .rtf file and it's all gibberish. Lines of in signs and en signs and various other dots along the way. It reads fine on the computer. Anyone ever had this happen? Sharon