Actually Daisy, Kes and Arc are the only formats I know that will hold the Mark up language for the book makrs to stick. Also Keyword can also put in book marks, but again, they won't stick in .rtf. RTf has only, the formatting markers retained, nothing proprietary left. That is why. But if you want to put book makrs in a .rtf or brf file, I use the syste of *A* and so on. stars don't appear in books normally so this works for me. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner