[bookshare-discuss] Re: Swearing
- From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:17:02 -0700
Well, Christians should be Christ-like toward others and I myself as a
Christian, know it is a path one keeps falling over, we are not perfect except
for God alone, that is another argument that I shall not go into, so don't you
either because I'm this close to giving up on the whole bookshare community
after seeing these messages for the past few days, just sick of this, please
let us go on and if we have nothing nice to say, then by all means shut up! I
have to remind myself to constantly walk away and or bite my tongue.
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From: Cindy
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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Swearing
It makes more sense for we atheists to take the Lord's name in vain
or to say things like God damn you in frustration or anger since, as we don't
believe in an all-seeing-allknowing God, or in damnation or hell, we don't mean
it literally. They're just words. I would be far more shocked to hear a
religious person swear like that, since for that person the words would have
meaning. Hopefully people who do believe in God don't swear like that, though
I have heard supposedly Christian people who are racist use those words.
Cindy
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
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Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 4:32 PM
Well, Kim, as an atheist who has often used the word god in some of
my oaths I will have to agree with you that it is a bit amusing. The
explanation is that when I use such a word or phrase I am not really thinking
in terms of swearing an oath as is apparently the case when anyone else does it
whether they are a believer or not. It is, rather, an expletive. It is an
expletive that I have heard others utter all my life with no thought to literal
meanings, that is, no thought to literal meanings by either myself or the
utterers. I have just picked up those expletives along with everyone else. If I
give my words some thought and reflection I will avoid such religious
references. However, by the very nature of an expletive, the situations in
which expletives are usually uttered are not very conducive to thoughtful
reflection.
"The
end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.
" Leon Trotsky
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Hi, Roger, I tend not to like that particular word myself, but it was
used in common English speech in the 17th century and in fact, if you come
across
the King James Version of the Bible, that word you used occurs
throughout 1 and 2 Kings and 1 and 2 Chronicles. I know what you are getting at
and I think
cultures differ on what they might consider obscene. I think what
have been considered oaths have changed. At some time if you said "God's body",
that
would have been considered an oath. You are right in that people will
say what they say. Personally, I wouldn't swear by asking God to damn somebody
or
use the name of Jesus if I was particularly upset. I find it kind of
amusing when I hear of people who are atheists swearing and using God's name in
their oaths.
I think to myself: "Now here are these supposed atheists who will
tell me that believing in God is irrational because to their minds their is no
such thing,
and yet, they will swear by something they claim not to believe in.
If they really are atheists, why can't they come up with oaths that are at
least consistent
with their non-beliefs?" God knows, I don't claim to be consistent
myself, so I guess I'll have to cut you some slack here, right? However, I
think if
you mean what you say and don't believe in God at all, I say, try to
think of something you can swear by, if you must swear by something, that is
consistent
with your beliefs or lack thereof. Regards, Kim.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:49 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I have a question please and thank you.
Some time ago I recall Pavi saying that the dictionary that algorithm
uses was reviewed and that it was laughable when they saw some of the words that
were in it. Supposedly that was corrected, but I very much suspect
that I would still consider it laughable. Honestly, I was once telling someone
something
another person said. I mentioned that the person had said that
another person was pissed off. I do not ordinarily use that phrase myself, but
since I was
relating what someone else said I did that time. I was angrily
accused of being obscene. It never even occurred to me in my wildest
speculations that anyone
would consider that to be obscene and if I had found it in that
dictionary of prohibited words and phrases I would have found that laughable.
Nevertheless,
someone did consider it obscene. That is why I tend to think that the
person who is offended by so-called "adult" words has the problem, not the one
who
utters them.
"The end may justify the means as long as there is something that
justifies the end.
" Leon Trotsky
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Pathfinder Press:
http://www.pathfinderpress.com
Granma International:
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Date:
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Evan, I've wondered about how that algorithm works too, because
of the children's books I've proofed that were erroneously marked
as adult by the algorithm. I'd bet part of it is based on
Bookshare useing a dictionary of words that can be considered
adult (with some contexting built in, I'd guess). The final
designation of adult comes about by using a weighting of the
number of times words/terms/phrases appear factored against the
total number of words in a book. So if you have a children's
book with very few words, and one of the 'suspect' words appears,
although it could be in a totally innocent context, bam! The
children's book is going to get rated as adult. I had that
happen a few months ago with a board book I was proofreading!
Just guessing here, of course. smile.
Judy s.
EVAN REESE wrote:
> What determines adult content is ultimately the proofreader.
Bookshare's
> computer can mark a book either Adult or not, using some secret
> algorithm that staff refuses to divulge to us, but the proofreader
can
> change the Bookshare computer's choice if he/she feels that a
change is
> justified. It used to be either the submitter and/or the
proofreader,
> but Bookshare took that choice away from submitters and seems to
have no
> inclination to give it back.
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