[bookshare-discuss] Re: C.S. Lewis

  • From: "Elfqueen" <elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:39:01 -0400

I don't think one would have to be a Christian, certainly not. At least not for all of it. (I might be wrong there, too, I just know I relate some of the characters' experiences to experiences I've had in my Christian life, I.E. Eustace as a dragon having the skin removed by Aslan after trying and trying and failing to do it himself.) One may have to know something about the Christian faith, though. Some of it is obvious, like Christ's sacrifice and Aslan's in the Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe, but some is more subtle. I still don't fully understand all of The Last Battle. But then, I haven't read that one in its complete form. I don't think they all have such strong parallels. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>

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I wonder if one has to be Christian to see the religious aspects of C.S. Lewis. When I read it as my children were reading it, and even more recently when I validated the series as BSOs (they weren't called that then) I had no idea that there was a second religious meaning in the books. I thought they were just fantasy until I began to hear and read more about his writing them as metaphors (I know that's not the right word but I can't think of it at the moment).

G.Cindy

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--- On Fri, 6/20/08, A. J. Nolte <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: A. J. Nolte <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Catholic banned books and movies lists
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 9:42 AM
Yes, there's that too. Since he bills it as 'an
atheist answer to CS Lewis"
then cribs extensively from gnosticism (his metertron is
like an exact copy
of the demiurge), I'm just going to go with the
originals are better.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elfqueen" <elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Catholic banned books and
movies lists


>I haven't read his stuff yet. Mostly because I
would be in trouble with a
>whole lot of people if I did. Sure, I could read it
without anyone's
>knowledge, but it just wouldn't feel right. And
I'm not terribly
>interested.
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. J. Nolte"
<a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:20 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Catholic banned books
and movies lists
>
>
>> I'll read something I disagree with if
it's (A) well-written and (B)
>> doesn't have stupid premises. The exception to
this rule is Philip
>> Pullman. I've heard his books are
well-written, and his premise is
>> interesting and all...as long as you recognize
that, despite his avowed
>> atheism, he stole the whole bloody thing lock
stock and barrel from the
>> gnostics. So I figure I may as well go back to the
source, as it were.
>> <g>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elfqueen"
<elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:01 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Catholic banned
books and movies lists
>>
>>
>>>I agree with you. I'm not Catholic, but I
can appreciate what you're
>>>saying. I used to think that I should never
ever ever read anything that
>>>would even make me consider anything outside my
beliefs (just to make it
>>>clear that I'm aware, I'll go ahead and
say I was naive and silly and
>>>overly prim about it), and then I found myself
in high school, where I
>>>didn't have a choice. Wake-up call! Now
I'll voluntarily read things I
>>>don't agree with. It has helped me as a
person, to strengthen and shape
>>>my own beliefs, and as a writer, to appreciate
different points of view
>>>and differente ways people process things.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Francesca Marinaro"
<poetprodigy7@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:44 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Catholic
banned books and movies lists
>>>
>>>
>>>> My issue with the Catholic church banning
books is not from a religious
>>>> standpoint, but from a literary one
because I'm an English teacher and
>>>> a
>>>> gradduate student, and being well-read
entails exposing yourself to
>>>> alternative points of view. This does not
mean you have to swallow or
>>>> agree
>>>> with that point of view.
>>>> When I was in high school, we were
required to read Portrait of the
>>>> Artist
>>>> as a young man(which I despised, but
that's beside the point). Anyway,
>>>> there
>>>> were large portions of that book that were
either anti-Catholic or
>>>> promoted
>>>> an extreme form of the religion. I went to
a catholic high school, and
>>>> my
>>>> english teacher's very words were
"When you read this, put on your
>>>> Catholic
>>>> armor." By that she meant, read it,
learn to appreciate it as a great
>>>> work
>>>> of literature, but by all means, do not
buy into it.
>>>> That, in my opinion, is a much more
sensible position, but then again,
>>>> perhaps there aren't a lot of
sensible people out there. (I say that
>>>> with
>>>> tongue firmly in cheek by the way).
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mary Anne Lynskey
[mailto:yeksnyl1953am@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:53 PM
>>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Catholic
banned books and movies lists
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the most notable banned book and
movie by the Catholic Church I
>>>> remember was Gone with the Wind.  For
years.  Because of the last line
>>>> of
>>>> the book.  Then there were things like 77
Sunset Strip and Paten Place
>>>> which
>>>>
>>>> were also notably banned.  My dad was good
at keeping up with what we
>>>> were
>>>> and were not allowed to watch, church or
not.  And then for every hour
>>>> of
>>>> TV, we had to read a book for 3 hours.  Of
course I had it easy because
>>>> I
>>>> had my books on those big 33 RPM records.
All those good fairy tales.
>>>> I
>>>> loved to listen to them.  My mom would
make my sister and I take our
>>>> baths
>>>> on Saturday night when Perry Mason was on
so she could watch in peace.
>>>> I
>>>> can still hear the famous theme song
drifting up the stairs into the
>>>> bathroom.  I have that as a ring on my
cell phone.  I made my own with
>>>> the
>>>> real theme, not the junk theme Verizon has
for sale.  It brings back
>>>> many
>>>> wonderful childhood memories.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mary Anne Lynskey
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